SOI: preshared
Michael Thomas <mat@cisco.com> Mon, 19 November 2001 16:46 UTC
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There's an interesting question posed by Cheryl's requirements draft about the scope of son-of-ike. As Cheryl points out, IKE is popularly thought of as a PKI authentication protocol even if the reality is something else. I think we're at an interesting cross roads here because a SOI doesn't have to be a kitchen sink protocol anymore since we've gained experience, as well as having some other arrows in our quiver (cf KINK). JFK positions itself as a PKI authentication *only* protocol. KINK is quite naturally useful for pre-shared keys, but requires an active third party authentication box (KDC). So here's the questions: 1) Should we deem peer-peer preshared keying bogus? 2) If not, should SOI inherently be a dual (triple...) authentication mechanism protocol? 3) If so, how do we bound the authentication mechanisms to keep IKE manageable? 4) If not, what fills the hole of peer-peer pre-shared keys? A different protocol? Extend KINK (many possible ways to do this)? Mike
- I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-ipsec-son-of-ike-protocol-r… Internet-Drafts
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- SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- SOI: round tripiness Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: preshared Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Paul Koning
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Joern Sierwald
- Re: SOI: preshared Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: preshared Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: preshared Paul Hoffman / VPNC
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: preshared Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Ari Huttunen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Derek Atkins
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Radia Perlman - Boston Center for Networking
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Arne Ansper
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Sandy Harris
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Derek Atkins
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Derek Atkins
- Re: SOI: preshared Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Ari Huttunen
- Re: SOI: preshared DavidChenNH
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Richard Guy Briggs
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Hugo Krawczyk
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Paul Hoffman / VPNC
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Sara Bitan
- RE: SOI: identity protection and DOS Andrew Krywaniuk
- RE: SOI: identity protection and DOS Paul Hoffman / VPNC
- On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protection … Hugo Krawczyk
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Hugo Krawczyk
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Derek Atkins
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Ari Huttunen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Alex Alten
- On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protection … Michael Thomas
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Alex Alten
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Hugo Krawczyk
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Hugo Krawczyk
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Derek Atkins
- Re: On shared keys Ricky Charlet
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Derek Atkins
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Michael Thomas
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Derek Atkins
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Steven M. Bellovin
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Andrew Krywaniuk
- RE: SOI: identity protection and DOS Andrew Krywaniuk
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Derek Atkins
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Richard Guy Briggs
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Arne Ansper
- Re: Gee, shared secrets suck (was: Re: SOI: ident… David Jablon
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Arne Ansper
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Steven M. Bellovin
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Henry Spencer
- RE: SOI: identity protection and DOS Paul Koning
- Gee, shared secrets suck (was: Re: SOI: identity … Joel Snyder
- Re: Gee, shared secrets suck (was: Re: SOI: ident… david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: On shared keys Tylor Allison
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS Paul Koning
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Alex Alten
- RE: SOI: identity protection and DOS Andrew Krywaniuk
- RE: SOI: identity protection and DOS Hugo Krawczyk
- Re: SOI: identity protection and DOS david chen
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Dilkie, Lee
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Derek Atkins
- Re: On shared keys Jari Arkko
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Alex Alten
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… david chen
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Derek Atkins
- Re: On shared keys sami.vaarala
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Paul Koning
- Re: On shared keys Derek Atkins
- Re: On shared keys Henry Spencer
- Re: Gee, shared secrets suck (was: Re: SOI: ident… Arne Ansper
- Re: On shared keys Derek Atkins
- Re: On shared keys Arne Ansper
- RE: On shared keys Wang, Cliff
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Stephen Kent
- Re: On shared keys Sami Vaarala
- Re: On shared keys Sami Vaarala
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Alex Alten
- Re: On shared keys Derek Atkins
- Re: On shared keys Sami Vaarala
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Sandy Harris
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… david chen
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Khaja E. Ahmed
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Derek Atkins
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Derek Atkins
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Derek Atkins
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… david chen
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Sandy Harris
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… david chen
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… david chen
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… david chen
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… david chen
- RE: SOI: identity protection and DOS Andrew Krywaniuk
- RE: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… Wang, Cliff
- Re: On shared keys (was RE: SOI: identity protect… david chen
- RE: SOI: identity protection and DOS Hugo Krawczyk
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