Re: resistance to swamping attacks.

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Subject: Re: resistance to swamping attacks.
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> From: Steven Bellovin <smb@research.att.com>
> 
> 	 > From touch@isi.edu
> 	 
> 	 But then you're authenicating the signature, but not the packet
> 	 itself, no?
> 	 
> 	 In that case, I can replay a signed connection-establishment request
> 	 with random source addrs.
> 
> Depends on what you sign.  In my note, I said ``in principle''....

> From touch@ISI.EDU Fri Sep 20 12:32:53 1996
> From: touch@ISI.EDU
> 
> So, it might be the case that, in order to avoid swamping attacks,
> we need two kinds of authentication:
> 
> 	- whole packet (to keep converstations secure)
> 
> 	- header only (for fast processing to check for
> 		swamping)
> 
> If so, do we need another kind of header?
> (IP-AH specs only the first)

Except that, as a colleague here pointed out, checking authentication
of SYNs costs much more than keeping the half-open connection block.

That's the argument for *not* needing a header-only authenticator.

Joe
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