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Re: [IPsec] Rename IKE_AUX?

Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> Mon, 12 November 2018 21:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [IPsec] Rename IKE_AUX?
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I agree that IKE_AUX can be easily confused with IKE_AUTH. Similarly, IKE_INT looks a lot like the INIT from IKE_SA_INIT.

I don't necessarily love IKE_PRE_AUTH, but it still seems preferable to the other options. You could also spell out "intermediate" to have IKE_INTERMEDIATE. This is still shorter than other existing exchange types, like IKE_SESSION_RESUME.

Thanks,
Tommy

> On Nov 12, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Valery Smyslov <smyslov.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm going to update IKE_AUX draft (in particular - change the way 
> it is authenticated based on recent discussion with Scott).
> 
> I recall that there were some complaints that the name IKE_AUX
> is not good because it can easily be mixed up with IKE_AUTH
> Actually, the phonetically close name was selected intentionally 
> to show that these exchanges are related. However, I'm not a native
> speaker and not always can realize how good or bad this similarity
> sounds for a native ear. 
> 
> So, my question to WG - do we need to change the name? If yes,
> then to what? Possible variants - IKE_INT (intermediate), IKE_PRE_AUTH. 
> Something else?
> 
> Regards,
> Valery.
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