Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)

"Melinda Shore" <shore@arsc.edu> Wed, 24 March 2010 14:29 UTC

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 06:29:11 -0800
From: Melinda Shore <shore@arsc.edu>
To: Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org>
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Subject: Re: [IPsec] Issue #177. (was: HA/LS terminology)
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On Tue, March 23, 2010 11:46 pm, Dan Harkins wrote:
>   Of course it's not the only reason. But you're missing the point. The
> point is that the reason doesn't matter! You want to describe a particular
> reason-- the "master" crashed and all state went over to the "hot
> standby"--
> not the generic concept of state moving.

Yes, I think this is my issue with the choice of "hot standby,"
as well - there's an implication that they're not sharing state
and that failing over looks from the outside like a reboot.

Melinda