Re: [IPsec] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-05

["Grewal, Ken" <[e-mail]>]

Qiu Ying,
Copying the value of the ESP next header to the WESP next header is useful for efficient HW parsing when using ESP-NULL.
You are correct that in the case of encrypted traffic, we can set this value to 'ESP', which could denote that the payload is encrypted.
Having said that, some people in the past have mentioned that it may be cleaner to have a dedicated bit to denote whether the payload is encrypted or using ESP-NULL.

Either way works, as long as there is a discrete, unambiguous way to denote this.

Thanks,
- Ken

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From: QIU Ying [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:42 PM
To: Grewal, Ken; Yaron Sheffer; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [IPsec] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-05

Hi, Ken

Agree that Option 1 is better as it applies lesser new IANA numbers. But in this case, it seems redundancy to copy the value of Next Header field in the ESP trailer to here. How about simply setting the value as ESP here? I think it more meet the original concept of Next Header.

Maybe I am missing something

Regards
Qiu Ying

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From: Grewal, Ken<mailto:[e-mail]>
To: QIU Ying<mailto:[e-mail]> ; Yaron Sheffer<mailto:[e-mail]> ; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:31 AM
Subject: RE: [IPsec] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-05

Thanks Qiu Ying - great observation.

We had originally proposed using a bit from the WESP flags (integrity only) for differentiating between ESP-encrypted and ESP-NULL traffic, but changed this to using a value of zero in the next header for efficient encoding, although this is overloading the meaning of next header.
With your observation, the current definition is not practical so we have the following options:


 1.  Revert back to using a bit in the flags to differentiate between encrypted / NULL traffic.
 2.  Allocate a new protocol value for the next header field to indicate encrypted data, which seems like an overkill.

As we are already asking for a new protocol value for WESP, option 1 seems to be the better choice.

Other opinions?

Thanks,
- Ken

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From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of QIU Ying
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:37 AM
To: QIU Ying; Yaron Sheffer; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [IPsec] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-05

Since the zero of next header value is used for HOPOPT already, maybe applying a new value for this intention is better to avoid the confliction.

Regards
Qiu Ying

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From: QIU Ying<mailto:[e-mail]>
To: Yaron Sheffer<mailto:[e-mail]> ; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [IPsec] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-05

Regarding the Next Header in section 2, what will be happened if the value of Next Header is zero (i.e. IPv6 Hop-by-Hop option) and the packet is not encrypted?

Regards
Qiu Ying

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From: Yaron Sheffer<mailto:[e-mail]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 3:48 AM
Subject: [IPsec] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-05

This is the beginning of a two-week WG Last Call, which will end July 18. The target status for this document is Proposed Standard. The current document is at http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ipsecme-traffic-visibility-05.

If you have not read the document before now, please do so. Having fresh eyes on the document often brings up important issues. If you HAVE read it before, please note that there have been several revisions since San Francisco, so you might want to read it again (plus it's a short document). Send any comments to the list, even if they are as simple as "I read it and it seems fine".

Please clearly indicate the position of any issue in the Internet Draft, and if possible provide alternative text. Please also indicate the nature or severity of the error or correction, e.g. major technical, minor technical, nit, so that we can quickly judge the extent of problems with the document.

Thanks,
            Yaron
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