Re: [IPsec] Additional charter items 3/4: Labeled IPsec

Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 16 February 2018 18:16 UTC

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 20:15:53 +0200
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Subject: Re: [IPsec] Additional charter items 3/4: Labeled IPsec
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> On 16 Feb 2018, at 20:06, Tero Kivinen <kivinen@iki.fi> wrote:
> 
> This charter text was not ready during the IETF 100, we just had very
> short description about the item, and I think most of the people did
> not really understand it.
> 
> The proposed charter text for this item is:
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Some systems support security labels (aka security context) as one of
> the selectors of the SPD. This label needs to be part of the IKE
> negotiation for the IPsec SA. non-standard implementations exist for
> IKEv1 (formerly abusing IPSEC Security Association Attribute 10, now
> using private space IPSEC Security Association Attribute 32001). The
> work is to standarize this for IKEv2.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Is that charter text clear enough?

Yeah, I think anyone who’s heard of multilevel security understands what is proposed here.

> Is there enough people interested
> in this?

I guess, since MLS keeps coming up…

I’m not, but I’m not opposed to doing this as long as there’s no burden on non-supporting implementations.

> 
> Send your comments and whether you support adding this to the charter
> to the ipsec list in next two weeks.
> --
> kivinen@iki.fi
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