Re: [IPsec] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-multiple-ke-10: (with COMMENT)

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From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
To: CJ Tjhai <cjt@post-quantum.com>
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Subject: Re: [IPsec] John Scudder's No Objection on draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-multiple-ke-10: (with COMMENT)
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Yes, that’s just fine — sorry for the duplicate effort, I hadn’t noticed Paul’s comment.

—John

> On Nov 30, 2022, at 6:18 PM, CJ Tjhai <cjt@post-quantum.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I've just realised that Paul Wouters has also commented on the same sentence and he has suggested the following:
> 
> A hybrid post-quantum algorithm to be introduced along with
> the well-established primitives addresses this concern, since the overall
> security is at least as strong as each individual primitive.
> 
> This has been committed into our latest PR. Hope this works with you.
> 
> Cheers,
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 23:11, CJ Tjhai <cjt@post-quantum.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> Many thanks for your review. Please see the response inline below.
> 
> Best wishes,
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 20:56, John Scudder via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
> John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for
> draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-multiple-ke-10: No Objection
> 
> 
>  
> [snipped]
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> COMMENT:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Thanks for this. I have just one comment, about what's probably just a
> typographical error but it interfered with my understanding of the point in
> question so it seemed worth mentioning.
> 
> ### Section 2, (2) is missing a verb, but what verb?
> 
> ```
> Hybrid. Currently, there does not exist a post-quantum key exchange that is
> trusted at the level that (EC)DH is trusted against conventional (non-quantum)
> adversaries. A hybrid post-quantum algorithm to be introduced next to
> well-established primitives, since the overall security is at least as strong
> as each individual primitive. ```
> 
> The second sentence seems, at minimum, to be missing a verb. For instance you
> could interpolate "needs" between "algorithm" and "to be", but I'm not sure if
> that properly captures your intended meaning.
> 
> I see your point, perhaps we should rephrase the sentence to the following:
> 
> Combining a post-quantum algorithm next to well-established primitives
> in a hybrid arrangement, would alleviate this concern since the overall security
> is at least as strong as each individual primitive.
> 
> Would this work with you?  
> 
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