Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"
Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Wed, 21 October 2020 15:11 UTC
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Subject: Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"
To: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>
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Hi Bob, On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 11:50 AM Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote: > Can anyone point to a specification on Starlink? > > Without that, this thread seems pretty content free. > > I had started this thread with a mail to Fred thinking that as a person from a major vendor in aviation industry, he Or someone in this list may have something technical. That includes yourself as the chair. Behcet > Bob > > > > On Oct 20, 2020, at 7:56 AM, Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Hi Fred, > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:24 PM Templin (US), Fred L < > Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote: > > Behcet, > > > > > > > > It is 12GHz > > > > > > > > Would that frequency spectrum be compatible for use on mobile vehicular > platforms > > > > (e.g., cars, drones, helicopters, planes, etc.). Because it comes from > Tesla, can we > > > > expect at least cars? > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Starlink certainly aims at connecting Tesla cars to their network, > they are currently connected with 4G links > > > > Do you think that 12GHz causes issues on mobile vehicular platforms? > > > > Behcet > > Thanks - Fred > > > > > > > > From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Behcet Sarikaya > > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 12:17 PM > > To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> > > Cc: 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org> > > Subject: Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:12 AM Alexandre Petrescu < > alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Le 19/10/2020 à 17:58, Behcet Sarikaya a écrit : > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:20 AM Templin (US), Fred L > > > <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Seems like an “IPv6-over-foo” document might be in order; anyone care > > > to____ > > > > > > join me on that?____ > > > > > > __ > > > > > > > > > IPv6-over-foo on Starlink section would look like > > > > > > TBD until more is revealed > > > > One in USA could look at the regulator's public database and find which > > frequency channel is allocated for Tesla for Starlink. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is 12GHz > > > > > > > > From that, one > > could find which encoders are available on that frequency. From that > > one could find which protocols are on it. It makes for a 'foo' in 'IPv6 > > over foo'. The link layer. > > > > > > > > I don't know how to do these? > > > > > > > > Behcet > > > > Alex > > > > > > > > > > Behcet > > > > > > __ > > > > > > Fred____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > *From:*Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com > > > <mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com>] *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 > > > 8:14 AM *To:* Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca > > > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>>; 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org > > > <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>> *Cc:* Templin (US), Fred L > > > <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com <mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>> > > > *Subject:* Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6"____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > Thanks Michael, I'd like to know as much as possible how IPv6 works > > > in Starlink.____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > Behcet____ > > > > > > __ __ > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:47 PM Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca > > > <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca>> wrote:____ > > > > > > Anyone read anything more specific about what Starlink is doing that > > > is "simpler than IPv6"? > > > > > > I'd sure like to know that it permits end-terminal to end-terminal > > > communicatons without a trip through a data center. > > > > > > -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 > > > mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works > > > | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca <mailto:mcr@sandelman.ca> > > > http://www.sandelman.ca/ <http://www.sandelman.ca/> | ruby on > > > rails [ > > > > > > > > > ____ > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative > > > Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > > ipv6@ietf.org > > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > > ipv6@ietf.org > > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > >
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- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Philip Homburg
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… otroan
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… otroan
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in an IPv… Bob Hinden
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in an IPv… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information… Philip Homburg
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Ted Hardie
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- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Ole Troan
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- Re: [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in an IPv… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Bob Hinden
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in … Bob Hinden
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Bob Hinden
- RE: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [atn] Embedding IP information in an IPv6 add… Michael Richardson
- RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Philip Homburg
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Bob Hinden
- Re: [atn] Embedding IP information in an IPv6 add… Bob Hinden
- Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (… Michael Richardson
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [atn] Embedding IP information… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Philip Homburg
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Bob Hinden
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Bob Hinden
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Embedding IP information in an IPv… Bob Hinden
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Bob Hinden
- Re: Starlink --- "simpler than IPv6" Alexandre Petrescu