Re: Why one Internet?
Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com> Tue, 10 April 2012 15:25 UTC
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Subject: Re: Why one Internet?
From: Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com>
To: Pars Mutaf <pars.mutaf@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Pars Mutaf <pars.mutaf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Brian E Carpenter > <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Lixia, >> >> The original note says "I think it is possible to locate the node we >> need." >> >> So, the idea is apparently not to divide the Internet - it is simply to >> deal >> with the fact that addresses would be ambiguous. Since we have 15 years >> experience of the pain caused by ambiguous addresses, and a perfectly good >> 128 bit address space that avoids any need for ambiguous addresses, I >> don't >> see the point. It isn't even worth sending the code. >> >> Pars, >> >> Your original note also says "I am not here to discuss these details." >> Sorry, >> but in the IETF it's *exactly* the details that we must discuss; that's >> our >> job. We've been doing so since 1992 to my personal knowledge. >> > > I propose have a network of Internets: > > Internet1 > Internet2 > Internet3 > ... > Interntet_n > > In Internet 1 and 2 we may have two nodes with the same address. > The goal is to route the packet to the right Internet. I don't think it is > impossible. > Quite possible. Most people call it CGN. In fact, the IETF granted a /10 of IPv4 for this purpose. CB > Pars > > > >> >> Regards >> Brian >> >> On 2012-04-10 15:09, Lixia Zhang wrote: >> > the Internet is a means to communicate. >> > and the market drives for most effective/efficient/economical >> > communication systems (there are tradeoffs between the adjectives) >> > wonder if you could help explain how your picture of "network of >> > Internets" would be more effective and economical (than what we have now) >> > >> > Lixia >> > >> > On Apr 10, 2012, at 6:24 AM, Pars Mutaf wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> In my opinion, we can add one more Internet when necessary, then >> >> another one etc. >> >> >> >> We can have as many Internets as we need, all different. >> >> >> >> We just need a *network of Internets*. >> >> >> >> The first (current) Internet is an IPv4 Internet. >> >> The second Internet can be an IPv4 Internet too. In this case we would >> >> have 2 IPv4 Internets. >> >> Obviously, in this case, we would have the same addresses used by two >> >> different nodes in >> >> the two Internets. I think it is possible to locate the node we need. I >> >> am not here to discuss >> >> these details. >> >> >> >> The second Internet can be an IPv6 Internet. >> >> >> >> The second Internet can be a IPv7 Internet. >> >> >> >> The second Internet can be IPv6 but we may have a third one which is >> >> IPv7 etc. >> >> >> >> We just need a network of Internets, all possibly different. >> >> >> >> Pars >> >> http://content-based-science.org/ >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> >> ipv6@ietf.org >> >> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >> > ipv6@ietf.org >> > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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