Re: Why one Internet?

Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com> Tue, 10 April 2012 15:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: Why one Internet?
From: Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com>
To: Pars Mutaf <pars.mutaf@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Pars Mutaf <pars.mutaf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Brian E Carpenter
> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Lixia,
>>
>> The original note says "I think it is possible to locate the node we
>> need."
>>
>> So, the idea is apparently not to divide the Internet - it is simply to
>> deal
>> with the fact that addresses would be ambiguous. Since we have 15 years
>> experience of the pain caused by ambiguous addresses, and a perfectly good
>> 128 bit address space that avoids any need for ambiguous addresses, I
>> don't
>> see the point. It isn't even worth sending the code.
>>
>> Pars,
>>
>> Your original note also says "I am not here to discuss these details."
>> Sorry,
>> but in the IETF it's *exactly* the details that we must discuss; that's
>> our
>> job. We've been doing so since 1992 to my personal knowledge.
>>
>
> I propose have a network of Internets:
>
> Internet1
> Internet2
> Internet3
> ...
> Interntet_n
>
> In Internet 1 and 2 we may have two nodes with the same address.
> The goal is to route the packet to the right Internet. I don't think it is
> impossible.
>

Quite possible. Most people call it CGN.  In fact, the IETF granted a
/10 of IPv4 for this purpose.

CB

> Pars
>
>
>
>>
>> Regards
>>   Brian
>>
>> On 2012-04-10 15:09, Lixia Zhang wrote:
>> > the Internet is a means to communicate.
>> > and the market drives for most effective/efficient/economical
>> > communication systems (there are tradeoffs between the adjectives)
>> > wonder if you could help explain how your picture of "network of
>> > Internets" would be more effective and economical (than what we have now)
>> >
>> > Lixia
>> >
>> > On Apr 10, 2012, at 6:24 AM, Pars Mutaf wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> In my opinion, we can add one more Internet when necessary, then
>> >> another one etc.
>> >>
>> >> We can have as many Internets as we need, all different.
>> >>
>> >> We just need a *network of Internets*.
>> >>
>> >> The first (current) Internet is an IPv4 Internet.
>> >> The second Internet can be an IPv4 Internet too. In this case we would
>> >> have 2 IPv4 Internets.
>> >> Obviously, in this case, we would have the same addresses used by two
>> >> different nodes in
>> >> the two Internets. I think it is possible to locate the node we need. I
>> >> am not here to discuss
>> >> these details.
>> >>
>> >> The second Internet can be an IPv6 Internet.
>> >>
>> >> The second Internet can be a IPv7 Internet.
>> >>
>> >> The second Internet can be IPv6 but we may have a third one which is
>> >> IPv7 etc.
>> >>
>> >> We just need a network of Internets, all possibly different.
>> >>
>> >> Pars
>> >> http://content-based-science.org/
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