Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6.

Jong-Hyouk Lee <jonghyouk@gmail.com> Thu, 31 March 2011 15:59 UTC

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Subject: Re: Vehicle's VIN in IPv6.
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Hi, Alex.

Please, come back to a person who I know. See inline.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Alexandru Petrescu
<alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com>; wrote:
>
> Le 31/03/2011 17:02, Jong-Hyouk Lee a écrit :
>>
>> Hi, Alex.
>>
>> Plz, see inline. I fully failed to understand your words.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Alexandru Petrescu
>> <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com>;  wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 31/03/2011 16:19, Bob Hinden a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Scott Brim wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:32, Bob
>>>>> Hinden<bob.hinden@gmail.com>; wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They could use a fixed car address and use mobile IPv6 with
>>>>>> a provider based address.
>>>>>
>>>>> That would help.  A rendezvous point (e.g. home agent) always
>>>>> helps to protect confidentiality. Plus a firewall to protect
>>>>> the always-out-of-date vehicle software.   They can work out
>>>>> how to do path optimization later.
>>>>
>>>> I agree.  If you put the "home agent" in the middle of the
>>>> internet (for some value of middle), then path optimization
>>>> probably isn't that important.
>>>
>>> Makes some sense.  This "middle" depends on latency; and core
>>> network has an order of magnitude (sometimes 2) less than even the
>>>  first hop to vehicle.
>>
>> In the context of ITS communication, how do you expect the movement
>> of vehicles?
>
> Right, mouvement of private vehicles is unpredictable.  Some common
> sense may reduce the space to, say, mostly a continent.  And even some
> vehicles like trains have very highly predictable trajectories.
>
> Not only ITS should be considered, but also operators of public
> transportation networks (if they're not already part of it).
>
>> Then, how do you decide the location of home agent for reducing the
>> routing performance for user data packets destined to hosts attached
>>  to the router of a vehicle?
>
> The direct seller of vehicle (concessionnaire, garage) may decide to
> host HA relativley close (geo terms) to where the vehicle is owned,
> suffices HA to be on wire instead of wireless, which is rather natural.
>  The parts manufacturer too.  The transportation operator, etc.

Ummm...let me explain a little thing about the use of home agent (HA)
in the context of ISO and ETSI. The HA is located at the central ITS
station that must be maintained by authorized organization, i.e.,
belonging to the government. Such private companies will not have
permissions to install the HA; might be possible for only private
company's client, but this is not the case we're talking here.

>
> The common wisdom of needing to host a webcache closer in order to
> deliver data quicker to http clients assumes the http clients use wire
> too (as the servers do).  The latency difference between pc's wire and
> server's wire is much smaller than between server's wire and wireless.

Come on. I don't really know why you bring this text here.

>
>>> That means that it may suffice to put the HA on wired link,
>>> anywhere in the Internet, and relatively close (in terms of
>>> hopcount) to where the handover is about to take place.
>>
>> In the context of this thread, Bob mentioned about the routing
>> performance, exactly saying user data packets' routing performance,
>> not saying handover latency mainly consisted of 1) movement
>> detection at IP level; 2) address configuration; and 3) location
>> update (BU/BA) to the home agent.
>
> Right, I didn't mean handover performance.
>
> Routing performance... hmm... I believe there is not much routing
> performance gain when trying to bring HA as close as possible to the
> handover place.
>
> Alex
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> And not necessarily put it where eg
>>>
>>> akamai stuff sits.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>> Bob
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