Re: Need a journalist (Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?)

Ca By <> Fri, 29 May 2020 05:29 UTC

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Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 22:28:54 -0700
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Subject: Re: Need a journalist (Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?)
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On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 9:55 PM Carsten Bormann <> wrote:

> On 2020-05-28, at 14:11, somebody wrote:
> >
> > It seems that a proxy war is being fought out in the working group.
> > With both opponents and proponents of proposals closely aligned along
> company borders.
> I’m coming late to the party (had to make popcorn first).
> Is there a summary somewhere that explains the positions, who holds them,
> and possibly why?
> A blog-post, an article, any other opinion piece?
> (WG-chairs, this is not a question for you; Adrian had some wise words on
> this.)
> I’d still like to understand what’s going on without investing hours into
> sorting messages and guessing company agenda.
> (Normally, I’d have asked this question on the hallway and would have got
> a good summary in two minutes, but no hallways in 2020.)
> Grüße, Carsten

I would start here, consider it ground truth

I deleted my drafted diatribe about complexity and about how and where the
ietf went wrong, but the first page of this i-d has a clue about what
SPRING is really about

I am with others, who delete these threads unread in 6man. I am hoping
cooler heads will prevail, and SPRING will leave the Internet standard ipv6
alone, and create their own protocol, the protocol they want. They can take
the ground up experimental status like LISP did.  Just get it all out there
with minimal blockers.

Meanwhile, i will be quietly serving 100M+ users with the original ipv6
that “just works”

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