Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-6man-ipv6-ula-scope-00.txt)
Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Fri, 19 February 2021 03:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-gont-6man-ipv6-ula-scope-00.txt)
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On 18/2/21 23:45, Manfredi (US), Albert E wrote: > From: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> > >> "Scope" and "domain" seem to almost be synonyms. "Global domain", without specifying what "domain" refers to, would have the same problems as the term "global scope". > > Yeah +1. Whether you say "scope," or whether your say "region of reachability," or even "domain," you're going to get exactly the same finicky complaints. IMO, we're best off just living with it. I honestly don’t believe the "inconsistencies" are crucial. I don't believe they are crucial. But eventually this needs to be explained (whether in courses, books) or understood by people that just want to read and understand the specs. Given IPv6 is mostly all about addressing, and that have a "scoped addressing architecture", it'd be nice to be able to agree on what scope actually means -- in a way that such definition works across specs -- or simply get rid of this and any other problematic terms. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont SI6 Networks e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492
- Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses (Fwd… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Richard Patterson
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… John Kristoff
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Philip Homburg
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Richard Patterson
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fred Baker
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Andrews
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- RE: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Philip Homburg
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Bob Hinden
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- RE: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Yucel Guven
- Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Scope of Unique Local … Ted Lemon
- Re: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Addresses … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local … Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering
- RE: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Fernando Gont
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] Scope of Unique Local IPv6 Unicast Ad… Gert Doering