RE: CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

[Andrew Alston <[e-mail]>]

Speaking as an operator that operates in 15 countries – yes – yes and yes again.

SRv6 will never find a home on our network – it is complex, it has massive overhead, it overloads the address space in ways that make me cringe, it currently (in my view) violates RFC8200, the network programming draft is so overengineered that it is entirely inflexible – where as CRH – is simple, it gives me exactly what we need, it is a building block to many other things in the pipe line, and it has been tested and is functional.

I will not begrude anyone who wants to run SRv6 – each to his own – but as an operator – I 100% want CRH – and I 100% do not believe that SRv6 is in any way shape or form an alternative to it – or something that I will ever run across any of the countries we operate in.

Thanks

Andrew

Do we really want this?

My two cents.

Best regards,
Mach

From: ipv6 [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Zafar Ali (zali)
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To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=[e-mail]<mailto:rbonica=[e-mail]>>; Chengli (Cheng Li) <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; 6man <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: CRH is not needed - Re: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

Hi,

It appears that some may have misunderstood the SRv6 solution and invented CRH.
It is good to clarify these points.

SRv6 offers the possibility to combine underlay and overlay instructions in a single SRH.
However,
·        This is entirely optional
·        If one would like to spread the source routed policy between multiple extension headers, one can use SRv6 to do this
o   SRH to hold the topological endpoints
o   Any combination of other extension headers to hold VPN and/or Service information. For example, SRH works seamlessly with NSH as documented in a WG document https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-02<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-02>.

Claiming that a new data plane is needed to achieve this separation is false.

Claiming that CRH is needed to decrease the overhead of source-routed policy in IPv6 is incorrect, too. Many members of the SPRING working group have produced documents to extend the SRv6 solution for the specific purpose of minimizing the MTU overhead and/or supporting very long SID-lists on legacy hardware.

Also, CRH is just a re-engineering of SR-MPLS Data Plane with IPv6 Control Plane [RFC8663] and RFC8663 is an already productized, deployed, proven, and standardized solution.

6man took 6 years to define SRH. The 6man WG spent a lot of efforts (1000s of email, dozens of document revision, dozens of IETF presentations, control plan work that is adopted by multiple workgroups, etc.).

There is no need to define a new data plane, new control plane and associated management plane for the same purpose the IETF across multiple areas has worked for years.

Thanks

Regards … Zafar


From: ipv6 <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=[e-mail]<mailto:rbonica=[e-mail]>>
Date: Friday, May 22, 2020 at 10:17 AM
To: "Chengli (Cheng Li)" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, 6man <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
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Subject: RE: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

Cheng,

The sole purpose of a Routing header is to steer a packet along a specified path to its destination. It shouldn’t attempt to do any more than that.

The CRH does not attempt to deliver service function information to service function instances. However, it is compatible with:

-        The Network Service Header (NSH)
-        The Destination Options header that precedes the Routing header

Both of these can be used to deliver service function information to service function instances.

                                                                                                                     Ron




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Subject: How CRH support SFC/Segment Endpoint option?

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Hi Ron,

When reading the CRH draft, I have a question about how CRH support SFC?

For example, we have a SID List [S1, S2, S3, S4, S5], and S3 is a SFC related SID, how to indicate that? By PSSI? [1]

But how to know which segment endpoint node/egress node should process this PSSI? At the beginning of the SRm6 design, this is described in [2]. But you deleted the containers [2].

Without that, I don’t really understand how SFC can be supported.


Best,
Cheng



[1]. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-spring-sr-mapped-six-01#section-4.1<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bonica-spring-sr-mapped-six-01*section-4.1__;Iw!!NEt6yMaO-gk!UD4vf0darQ9cskFhH1fJ9jwZJ-nIciQxgVnf1219YuyyaNcgvNdRUdkjwP15i-Xa$>
[2]. https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-bonica-6man-seg-end-opt-04.txt<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-bonica-6man-seg-end-opt-04.txt__;!!NEt6yMaO-gk!UD4vf0darQ9cskFhH1fJ9jwZJ-nIciQxgVnf1219YuyyaNcgvNdRUdkjwNmXwyHT$>.