Re: [v6ops] [dhcwg] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay Implementors regarding draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-relay-requirements
Philip Homburg <pch-v6ops-9@u-1.phicoh.com> Wed, 14 October 2020 12:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] [dhcwg] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay Implementors regarding draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-relay-requirements
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> [if - Theres a couple of problems that this requirement is trying > to address: > > 1, A misbehaving client (accidentally or otherwise) 2, The volume > of traffic being forwarded by the relay consumes the available > bandwidth meaning that DHCP configuration cant complete > > In both cases, the client cant be relied on to solve the problem] I wonder if the problem can be stated in a more general way. It seems to me that router should only forward a packet back to the link it came from when it got the packet directly from a host. I.e., a host may send a packet to a default router when the best next hop happens to be different router on the same link. A host may also send a packet to a default router when the host doesn't know that the destination is on-link (on NBMA links for example). In contrast, routers can be relied on to send packet to the correct next hop. If they don't, then there is something inconsistent in the routing information. Routers don't react to redirect ICMPs, so this inconsistency could waste a lot of bandwidth. One option is to only forward a packet back to the same link if we can also send a redirect ICMP (ignoring rate limiting). I.e., Section 8.2 of RFC 4861 (Neighbor Discovery) describes that a redirect ICMP can be send if "the Source Address field of the packet identifies a neighbor" This could be implemented both in the downstream router and in the upstream router. I can see two cases where this could go wrong: 1) multi-homed hosts doing something weird. In that case the host should be fixed. 2) Multiple downstream routers on a single link where the downstream routers also do not speak a routing protocol. I doubt that we need to support this configuration.
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- Re: [dhcwg] Question to DHCPv6 Relay Implementors… ianfarrer
- RE: [dhcwg] [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Question to DH… Templin (US), Fred L
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- Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Question to DH… ianfarrer
- RE: [dhcwg] [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Question to DH… Bernie Volz (volz)
- RE: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … ianfarrer
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question t… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … Michael Richardson
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question t… Templin (US), Fred L
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- Re: [v6ops] [dhcwg] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … Philip Homburg
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- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question t… Templin (US), Fred L
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- RE: [EXTERNAL] [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DH… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [EXTERNAL] [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DH… Bob Hinden
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question t… Michael Richardson
- Re: [EXTERNAL] [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DH… Michael Richardson
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- Re: [EXTERNAL] [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DH… Bob Hinden
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- Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Question to DH… Jen Linkova
- Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: Question to DH… Bernie Volz (volz)
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question t… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [EXTERNAL] [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DH… Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … Vasilenko Eduard
- RE: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … otroan
- Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … Timothy Winters
- Re: [dhcwg] [v6ops] Re: Question to DHCPv6 Relay … Ted Lemon
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