RE: RFC7084
Wuyts Carl <Carl.Wuyts@technicolor.com> Tue, 10 December 2013 14:26 UTC
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From: Wuyts Carl <Carl.Wuyts@technicolor.com>
To: Simon Perreault <simon.perreault@viagenie.ca>, "ipv6@ietf.org" <ipv6@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: RFC7084
Thread-Topic: RFC7084
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The thing to understand is that, imho: M=1 should not be equal to force request ia_na. And yes, our CPEs can do this perfectly, but no, this should not be enforced. I'm just trying to stick as close as possible to standards, after all, what's the purpose of having separate options (ia_na and ia_pd) if you're going to request both of them anyway ? Regs Carl -----Original Message----- From: ipv6 [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Simon Perreault Sent: dinsdag 10 december 2013 15:22 To: ipv6@ietf.org Subject: Re: RFC7084 Le 2013-12-10 02:13, Wuyts Carl a écrit : >> Again, you're binding WRONG the M to ia_na. this is really not good. >> Let us implement standards based upon what they are designed for. >> The M-flag was initially designed to flag the device to be Managed, >> not to > > From RFC4861: > > M 1-bit "Managed address configuration" flag. When > set, it indicates that addresses are available via > Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol [DHCPv6]. > > I interpret this as M=1 means addresses are available via DHCPv6, that means IA_NA and/or IA_PD, one or both might be available. I don't really understand why you do not. What do you think the M flag means? Reading the above text seems to indicate that you think it has something to do with managing the CPE? > > [Carl] Correct, as you state and/OR, not AND only. RFC7084 today says AND. Am I the only one not understanding Carl's point? I would really like to understand... > [Carl] why ask for both ? Why making diff between the 2 if you always ask for both ? Why not asking all options and just wait and see what you get back ? As others previously explained, you're free to implement it that way if you prefer: do SLAAC and DHCPv6 simultaneously, and see what you get back. If I was implementing a CPE, that's what I would do. I would completely ignore the M bit, and the SLAAC and DHCPv6 processes would be like ships in the night. Simon -- DTN made easy, lean, and smart --> http://postellation.viagenie.ca NAT64/DNS64 open-source --> http://ecdysis.viagenie.ca STUN/TURN server --> http://numb.viagenie.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 --------------------------------------------------------------------
- RFC7084 Wuyts Carl
- RE: RFC7084 STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: RFC7084 Sander Steffann
- Re: RFC7084 Ole Troan
- Re: RFC7084 Sander Steffann
- Re: RFC7084 Erik Kline
- RE: RFC7084 Wuyts Carl
- RE: RFC7084 Mikael Abrahamsson
- RE: RFC7084 Wuyts Carl
- Re: RFC7084 Sander Steffann
- RE: RFC7084 Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: RFC7084 Simon Perreault
- RE: RFC7084 Wuyts Carl
- Re: RFC7084 Simon Perreault
- RE: RFC7084 Wuyts Carl
- Re: RFC7084 Ole Troan
- RE: RFC7084 Wuyts Carl
- Re: RFC7084 Ole Troan
- RE: RFC7084 STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ole Troan
- RE: [v6ops] RFC7084 STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Sander Steffann
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Nick Hilliard
- RE: [v6ops] RFC7084 Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ted Lemon
- RE: [v6ops] RFC7084 Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: RFC7084 Alexandru Petrescu
- RE: RFC7084 Wuyts Carl
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Erik Kline
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Alexandru Petrescu
- RE: [v6ops] RFC7084 Wuyts Carl
- Re: Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ray Hunter
- RE: [v6ops] RFC7084 STARK, BARBARA H
- RE: [v6ops] RFC7084 Hemant Singh (shemant)
- Re: address vs. prefix (was: RFC7084) Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Michael Richardson
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Gert Doering
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA (was: RFC7084) Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Nick Hilliard
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA (was: RFC7084) Owen DeLong
- Re: [v6ops] RFC7084 Ole Troan
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA Owen DeLong
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA Owen DeLong
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA Owen DeLong
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA Alexandru Petrescu
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA Owen DeLong
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA sthaug
- Re: IA_PD bit in RA Alexandru Petrescu
- RE: IA_PD bit in RA STARK, BARBARA H