Re: IPv4 traffic on "ietf-v6ONLY"

joel jaeggli <joelja@bogus.com> Wed, 15 November 2017 03:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: IPv4 traffic on "ietf-v6ONLY"
To: Lee Howard <lee@asgard.org>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, ipv6@ietf.org
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On 11/15/17 10:59, Lee Howard wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/15/17, 10:44 AM, "ipv6 on behalf of Brian E Carpenter"
> <ipv6-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 15/11/2017 15:13, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>>> There is much IPv4 traffic on the "ietf-v6ONLY" ESSID.
>>
>> Also on the DNS64 network. But it is all one-way, you
>> will notice. No replies as far as I can see. Most of them
>> are sourced from 169.254.*.*, but there are some oddities such as
>> 31.130.227.98	224.0.0.1	IGMPv2	42	Membership Query, general
> 
> 
> Does that return us to the question of how to tell hosts that IPv4 doesn’t
> live here, and to stop trying?

Ah but it does, because in the absence of ipv4 network instruction you
still build an adhoc network, just as you do for ipv6.

J@mb:nobackup$dns-sd  -G v4 "mb.local"
DATE: ---Wed 15 Nov 2017---
11:04:02.802  ...STARTING...
Timestamp     A/R Flags if Hostname
Address                                      TTL
11:04:02.804  Add     2  5 mb.local.
169.254.36.108                               120

J@mb:nobackup$dns-sd  -G v4 "Zamboni.local"
DATE: ---Wed 15 Nov 2017---
11:06:42.643  ...STARTING...
Timestamp     A/R Flags if Hostname
Address                                      TTL
11:06:42.644  Add     2  5 zamboni.local.
169.254.150.104                              120

if you turn off your ipv4 stack you'll no longer do that.

There is some (possibly misguided) assumption that if you have only
adhoc networking available for a given address faily that your network
is broken. In fact it is not, it is working.


joel

> Lee
> 
>>
>> I have a couple of Wireshark capture files if anyone cares.
>>
>>   Brian
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