[IPv6]Deb Cooley's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-icmpv6-reflection-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Subject: [IPv6]Deb Cooley's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-icmpv6-reflection-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Deb Cooley has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-6man-icmpv6-reflection-12: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/handling-ballot-positions/ for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6man-icmpv6-reflection/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCUSS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In my opinion, this is a dangerous extension that can be used for harm without detection. Prevention of modification: I don't see any way to determine if either the request or the response has been modified. Any of the sender, recipient, or entities in-between can modify the contents to contain the information that they want to convey. The recipient can lie about what has been received. Middleboxes can modify any of the packets in either direction. Creating an unauthorized information channel: In addition, either endpoint can include 'arbitrary' data (as specified in Section 5, second to last paragraph) creating a channel to exfil (policy) prohibited information. The only limit to the size of the packet is a 'SHOULD NOT' to avoid fragmentation (Section 4, para 1). Only a soft 'must not' in Section 4 alludes to a middlebox capability to block attempted exfil. Possible ways forward: There has to be an allowance for a middlebox (boundary device) to protect the network by blocking exfil of policy prohibited data. There could be hard limits for packet size. And the allowance for the inclusion of 'arbitrary data' in the request could be removed. There also could to be strong wording in Security Considerations about how this mechanism can be abused. I'd be happy to help craft the Sec Consid part. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to Robert Starks for their secdir review.
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