Re: A problem with RFC 6465's Uniform Format for Extension Headers

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Fri, 28 March 2014 00:05 UTC

Return-Path: <fgont@si6networks.com>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9E01A075C for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:05:39 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.902
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SeAo4iz5tQ4G for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from web01.jbserver.net (web01.jbserver.net [IPv6:2a00:8240:6:a::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96611A034E for <6man@ietf.org>; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:05:36 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [181.46.190.53] (helo=[172.16.5.35]) by web01.jbserver.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <fgont@si6networks.com>) id 1WTKIP-0003fr-PE; Fri, 28 Mar 2014 01:05:18 +0100
Message-ID: <5334B0A5.5020003@si6networks.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 23:13:41 +0000
From: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: Hagen Paul Pfeifer <hagen@jauu.net>, Thomas Narten <narten@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: A problem with RFC 6465's Uniform Format for Extension Headers
References: <20140130230740.25350.9524.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <52EAF63A.7050108@si6networks.com> <52F1B8CE.4070803@ericsson.com> <52F1BD1F.2080007@si6networks.com> <m3k3d82zz6.wl%narten@us.ibm.com> <20140207222339.GA28019@localhost.localdomain>
In-Reply-To: <20140207222339.GA28019@localhost.localdomain>
X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/ABEnjCpYO0_sW-EcqmSHUk-8Cjw
Cc: "C. M. Heard" <heard@pobox.com>, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "6man@ietf.org" <6man@ietf.org>, Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 00:05:40 -0000

Hi, Hagen,

I'm currently working on a rev of the aforementioned I-D. Please send me
your <author> xml so that I can incorporate you as a co-author.

Thanks!

Cheers,
Fernando




On 02/07/2014 10:23 PM, Hagen Paul Pfeifer wrote:
> * Thomas Narten | 2014-02-06 07:21:49 [-0500]:
> 
>> But we are already there. Folk won't deploy anything other than
>> TCP/UDP because NAT won't deal with it. That has already been reality
>> and is the reason that other or new transport protocols appear to be
>> virtually undeployable today.
> 
> Maybe actual in parts of the Internet. We deploy larger networks with our
> router silicon and we _use_ IPv6 extension header to transport signaling
> information. Period. Our need is not on the protocol side - UDP is fine for
> all - we need additional extension header (think about roaming information).
> And we _have_ actual problems with the current situation! This is why I wrote
> the I-D back in 2011[1].
> 
> I remember a time where ECN did not work properly and where dropped
> occasionally by broken middleboxes. LKML started to enabled ECN and things
> improved over time.
> 
> We should not stop solutions here because administrators/vendors infringe
> protocol best practices. We should focus on an proper protocol design which
> enables possibilities.
> 
> Hagen
> 
> 
> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pfeifer-6man-exthdr-res-01
> 


-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com
PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492