Re: Interested in wireless ?
Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Mon, 01 June 2020 19:11 UTC
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From: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 14:10:55 -0500
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Subject: Re: Interested in wireless ?
To: "STARK, BARBARA H" <bs7652@att.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, 6man WG <ipv6@ietf.org>
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On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 10:17 AM STARK, BARBARA H <bs7652@att.com> wrote: > > Neat! > > > > Many thanks Brian. > > > > Pascal > > Oh, good. I'd just like to say that Brian very eloquently expressed some > of the thoughts I had when reading through the draft. This is an important > topic. I'd like to see it presented in a way that drives deployment, if it > really will help to solve the problem. > > I suspect that to really get high rates of good, interoperable > implementations in deployed Wi-Fi products, it might need to get picked up > by Wi-Fi Alliance. An applicability statement that helps them understand > the use case would be useful. I wonder, though, if that would be more v6ops > than 6man? That is, it seems more about using (and implementing/deploying) > existing protocols to improve operation of a network. > I think this is a good point. Thanks for pointing it out Barbara. Regards, Behcet > Barbara > > > > From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > > > > > > Pascal, > > > > > > There is a category of standards track documents foreseen in RFC2026 > > > called "applicability statements", described at > > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_ht > > > ml_rfc2026-23section-2D3.2&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC- > > > > > 8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=_i8eV1zjwa6e9U_4dG_Ehj8deR5jGNQadCAX4NyOVRg > > &s=S88z1M > > > klplQDukKNZjL75ub8LZnYm9ZJBYq_cafJfzY&e= > > > > > > I think that is perhaps where your draft could fit. A little bit > > > stronger than Informational and little bit different than Best > *Current* > > Practice. > > > > > > Regards > > > Brian > > > > > > On 01-Jun-20 04:40, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > Hello Brian > > > > > > > > We may have to split the doc but for the most part I agree it is an > > > informational. > > > > > > > > For now I suggest to just change the intended status accordingly and > > > > aim at > > > BCP or something. > > > > > > > > Let’s discuss in parallel the coexistence and if there’s a need for > > > > an std track > > > somewhere. There’s at least the use of a 6LBR for address looking up > > > in unicast. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > >> Le 30 mai 2020 à 22:47, Brian E Carpenter > > > >> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> > > > a écrit : > > > >> > > > >> Hi, > > > >> > > > >> I believe that this is an important topic that 6MAN should take up. > > > >> The draft > > > is a good basis. > > > >> > > > >> At the moment I find the draft a bit confusing in one way. It's > > > >> aimed at > > > standards track, but it mainly doesn't read like a standard. There's a > > > lot of discussion but not much specification. If I was a coder, I > > > wouldn't really know where to start. For example, the end of the > > Introduction says: > > > >> > > > >> "This document discusses the applicability of IPv6 ND over wireless > > > >> links, as compared with routing-based alternatives such as > > > >> prefix-per node and multi-link subnets (MLSN), and with Wireless ND > > > >> (WiND), that is similar to the Wi-Fi association and reduces the > > > >> need for Network-Layer multicast." > > > >> > > > >> If it's a standard, IMHO it shouldn't do that. It should specify > > > >> what WiND is, > > > with normative references as needed. Section 5 is the important part. > > > It's fine to have a descriptive section about why WiND is needed, but > > > that is almost better as an appendix. The main text should be > > > essentially the instructions for a kernel programmer. > > > >> > > > >> Regards > > > >> Brian Carpenter > > > >> > > > >>> On 30-May-20 23:46, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > >>> Dear all > > > >>> > > > >>> Since there’s so much energy on the list these days, could we > > > >>> consider the adoption of > > > >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.or > > > >>> g_html_draft-2Dthubert-2D6man-2Dipv6-2Dover-2Dwireless- > > 2D05&d=DwIG > > > >>> aQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC- > > 8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=_i8eV1zjwa6 > > > >>> > > e9U_4dG_Ehj8deR5jGNQadCAX4NyOVRg&s=zhmY1Y4gPkDO08iqReP1D3y6I > > UQ2eCR > > > >>> cItaE6PV0kzU&e= > > > >>> ? > > > >>> > > > >>> I got only positive feedback, there’s no politics, there no label, > > > >>> it’s all about > > > IPv6 models for wireless. This may appear useful in a world where the > > > vast majority of devices are connected that way. > > > >>> > > > >>> Keep safe, > > > >>> > > > >>> Pascal > > > >>> > > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >>> -- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org > > > >>> Administrative > > > >>> Requests: > > > >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__www.ietf.org_ > > > >>> mailman_listinfo_ipv6&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC-8 > > > >>> > > sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=_i8eV1zjwa6e9U_4dG_Ehj8deR5jGNQadCAX4NyOVRg& > > s=d4r > > > >>> J3C_jWlTRhy2Hr3SeRSeCEeyC8wNfKBtnuG7VCeU&e= > > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > >>> -- > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > > ipv6@ietf.org > > Administrative Requests: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https- > > 3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_ipv6&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ- > > o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=LoGzhC- > > 8sc8SY8Tq4vrfog&m=_i8eV1zjwa6e9U_4dG_Ehj8deR5jGNQadCAX4NyOVRg > > &s=d4rJ3C_jWlTRhy2Hr3SeRSeCEeyC8wNfKBtnuG7VCeU&e= > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
- Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Carsten Bormann
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Michael Richardson
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Brian E Carpenter
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? STARK, BARBARA H
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? STARK, BARBARA H
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Michael McBride
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Interested in wireless ? Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Nabil Benamar
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- RE: Interested in wireless ? Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: Interested in wireless ? Alexandre Petrescu