Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 ULA registry
Nico Schottelius <nico.schottelius@ungleich.ch> Mon, 07 December 2020 22:30 UTC
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From: Nico Schottelius <nico.schottelius@ungleich.ch>
To: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
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Subject: Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 ULA registry
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Good evening Lorenzo, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> writes: > Nico, > > This seems a bit misguided for several reasons. > > First, registries are supposed to be authoritative databases, but the RFC > specifies that ULA addresses are generated pseudo-randomly. Therefore, if a > pseudo-randomly allocated address conflicts with something in the registry, > the registry should be deemed incorrect. In this regard I somewhat disagree: From my point of view no ULA registry will ever be fully authoritative, because the networks are not intended to be used on the Internet. Indeed, we are even considering to intentionally allow double registration. The motivation behind this is that due to its non-authoritative state any ULA database can only have indicative character. As such a registration (from my point of view says): "Hey, I am using xx/48. It would be great if you don't intentionally start using it." > Another problem is: the prefixes in the registry have to be unique because > that's what ULAs are. But I bet there are duplicates right now. For > example, I'm pretty sure more than one network in the world is using > fd00::/48 right now. fd00::/48 is actually an example entry created during the Hackathon, which led us to implement the random generation instead as the primary option instead of focussing on submission of existing prefixes. > In fact, I just configured it on my network, so if > there was no duplicate before, there is one now. :-) With that argument even GUA is not GUA - I can also configure 2600::/32 or even 2001:db8::/32 in my network, it does not make me "own" 2600::/32 nor remove the documentation character from 2001:db8::/32. > Lots of other problems, of course, such as: what happens if someone else > launches a similar registry? And so on. If someone else launches a similar registry, we are open for (automatic) exchanges. As a matter of fact: if anyone else is interested in, I would recommend to use our source code so it will be an easier basis to exchanges data later. Best regards, Nico -- Modern, affordable, Swiss Virtual Machines. Visit www.datacenterlight.ch
- Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 ULA … Nico Schottelius
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Fernando Gont
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Nico Schottelius
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Nico Schottelius
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Laun… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Fernando Gont
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Fernando Gont
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Fernando Gont
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Nick Hilliard
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Nico Schottelius
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Ted Hardie
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Nico Schottelius
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Fernando Gont
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Philip Homburg
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Nick Hilliard
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Ted Hardie
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … David Farmer
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Mark Smith
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Philip Homburg
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Laun… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Laun… Templin (US), Fred L
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Laun… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Laun… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 … Brian E Carpenter
- For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re… Nico Schottelius
- Re: For whom is IPv6? Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Ted Lemon
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Michael Richardson
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… David Farmer
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Michael Richardson
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Nick Hilliard
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Mark Andrews
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… David Farmer
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Fernando Gont
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Fernando Gont
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Fernando Gont
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Nick Hilliard
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Michael Richardson
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Michael Richardson
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Michael Richardson
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… David Farmer
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Fred Baker
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… David Farmer
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Philip Homburg
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Nico Schottelius
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Nico Schottelius
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Nico Schottelius
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Nico Schottelius
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Nico Schottelius
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Jens Link
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… David Farmer
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Philip Homburg
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Nick Hilliard
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Mark Andrews
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… David Farmer
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Michael Richardson
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day… Nico Schottelius