Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reachability over reachability
Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org> Sat, 25 November 2023 00:11 UTC
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From: Kyle Rose <krose@krose.org>
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2023 19:11:06 -0500
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To: Ed Horley <ed@hexabuild.io>
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Subject: Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reachability over reachability
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On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 5:49 PM Ed Horley <ed@hexabuild.io> wrote: > Other option is to just remove the ULA prefix entirely from 6724 and then > the OS doesn’t see it as any different then GUA > That won't work for any deployment that doesn't NAT/NPT ULA space (which is most of them) because without the label distinction a ULA source and GUA destination might be chosen, resulting in one of several obvious classes of unreachability in one direction or the other. ULA and GUA must be treated differently for purposes of address selection: what remains in dispute is exactly *how* that treatment should differ, not *whether* it should. Kyle
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might break… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Erik Kline
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Erik Auerswald
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Jeremy Duncan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reachabi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Soni L.
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Havard Eidnes
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ed Horley
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Philipp S. Tiesel
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Philipp S. Tiesel
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't prefe… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Philipp S. Tiesel
- [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't prefe… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't prefe… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ed Horley
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't p… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't p… Philipp S. Tiesel
- [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't prefe… Brian E Carpenter