Re: 64share v2

Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com> Tue, 10 November 2020 15:28 UTC

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 07:28:13 -0800
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Subject: Re: 64share v2
To: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike=40swm.pp.se@dmarc.ietf.org>
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 4:29 AM Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike=
40swm.pp.se@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 10 Nov 2020, otroan@employees.org wrote:
>
> > But you see the difference right?
> > RA configuration tied to link state. PD assignment not.
> >
> > Obviously both can be misconfigured. But as I think we have experienced.
> Getting the defaults correct, both in standards, implementations and
> understanding is important.
>
> I've experienced internet connections where the PPPoE session was
> forcefully bounced by ISP once per 24 hours and you received a new DHCP
> based address when it came up again. True for both IPv4 and IPv6.
>
> So it makes no difference to me. In real world, neither RA or DHCP based
> methods keep their promise (valid/lifetimes) and they can both be forced
> to be tied to a link state.
>

+1, this is my own home GPON LAN with 6RD. Link bounces cause ipv6 to fail
because addresses are ephemeral in nearly every home broadband network i
have seen.

It's all up to what the receiver is configured to do about this
> information, and we're already trying to figure out how RA/DHCP should be
> tied together. If someone says "ships in the dark" again I don't know what
> to say, operationally they shouldn't be.
>
> --
> Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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