Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reachability over reachability
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 21 November 2023 14:39 UTC
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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2023 09:38:50 -0500
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To: Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org>
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Subject: Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reachability over reachability
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Well, e.g. in a stub network with DHCPv6 PD, if the customer site is multi-homed for resiliency, it would be nice if that worked. This would require the device on the stub network to try both source prefixes, so it probably doesn’t work at the moment, but we are talking about what remains to do to make it work. It’s not clear to me that this is the killer app, or even the right approach, but I don’t see the problem that you do with exploring this: my motivation certainly isn’t to avoid paying for enterprise-grade routers other than in the sense that clearly they wouldn’t make economic sense in this application. I do realize that if we made this work in the home, it would have implications for the enterprise market in the long run, but that’s a path we’ve all trod many times before, and I don’t think we should factor that concern into our evaluation of what the right approach to the problem is. Op di 21 nov 2023 om 09:23 schreef Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> > > Remember that my target market is end users, not enterprise. What sort > of routers can an end user buy that will automatically do what you suggest? > > > What sort of host and applications can an end user buy that supports MPMH? > > O. > > >
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might break… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Erik Kline
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Erik Auerswald
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Jeremy Duncan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reachabi… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Soni L.
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Havard Eidnes
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ed Horley
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Philipp S. Tiesel
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Philipp S. Tiesel
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Trøan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ole Troan
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't prefe… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Philipp S. Tiesel
- [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't prefe… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't prefe… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ed Horley
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Mark Smith
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Ted Lemon
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] draft-ietf-6man-rfc6724-update might b… David Farmer
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Michael Richardson
- Re: [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't p… Nick Buraglio
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [IPv6] RFC 6724 shouldn't prefer partial reac… Kyle Rose
- Re: [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't p… Philipp S. Tiesel
- [IPv6] Multi6 (no longer RFC 6724 shouldn't prefe… Brian E Carpenter