[IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefix"
Geoff Huston <gih902@gmail.com> Tue, 25 November 2025 22:41 UTC
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Subject: [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefix"
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Hi David, I had noted that, but also noted that RFC4291 is now twenty years old! If twenty years is not a long enough period to treat a deprecation action as "concluded" then we are in far FAR more trouble with the IETF standards process than just the lack of an IPv6 loopback prefix! Given that the text of RFC4291 clearly states in Section 2.5.5.1 (IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Address) that "The "IPv4-Compatible IPv6 address" is now deprecated" I did not see any point to further twiddle with this part of RFC4291 in this draft. So, no, I obviously do not concur with your view this is the "kiss of death" for the concept of a loopack IPv6 asddress prefix at the start of the IPv6 address set. You also commented: >> Note that if we go hard with this idea, the entire IPv6 loopback prefix should be added to the Locally-Served DNS Zones registry. >> >> https://www.iana.org/assignments/locally-served-dns-zones/locally-served-dns-zones.xhtml#ipv6 That' a great suggestion David - will be added to the draft Thanks, Geoff > On 26 Nov 2025, at 9:16 am, David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> wrote: > > Also, I think there should be a discussion of how this overlaps with the now-deprecated IPv4-Compatible IPv6 Addresses in section 2.5.5.1 of RFC4291. In fact, it might be better to use ::/104, which maps to the IPv4 prefix 0.0.0.0/8 <http://0.0.0.0/8>. > > This is probably the kiss of death for this idea, but to avoid confusion, it might be better to produce a full RFC 4291bis and eliminate section 2.5.5.1 of RFC 4291. However, the last time we tried to do an RFC 4291bis, it ended in total failure. > > Thanks > > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2025 at 2:31 PM David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu <mailto:farmer@umn.edu>> wrote: >> While I'm not strongly opposed to this idea, I have always liked that the IPv6 loopback address is a singular address rather than a prefix, as in IPv4. >> >> I don't think it is a major issue, and there are more than enough IPv6 addresses to define a lookback prefix for IPv6, instead of a singular loopback address. It won't cause a shortage by any means. >> >> I guess it is mostly a matter of taste. However, I would prefer a better justification than simply saying we did it that way in IPv4, which seems to be the primary justification. >> >> Note that if we go hard with this idea, the entire IPv6 loopback prefix should be added to the Locally-Served DNS Zones registry. >> >> https://www.iana.org/assignments/locally-served-dns-zones/locally-served-dns-zones.xhtml#ipv6 >>
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Jeremy Duncan
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Terry Sweetser
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Owen DeLong
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Owen DeLong
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Owen DeLong
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… sthaug
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Gert Doering
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Gert Doering
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Templin (US), Fred L
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Templin (US), Fred L
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Michael Sweet
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Michael Sweet
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Michael Sweet
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Gert Doering
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Michael Richardson
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Bob Hinden
- [IPv6]New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefi… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Sebastian Moeller
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Antonis Chariton
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Philipp S. Tiesel
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Sebastian Moeller
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Michael Siegenthaler
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Michael Richardson
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… tom petch
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Erik Kline
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Request for WG Adoption for draft-kumari-ip… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Arseny Maslennikov
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: Request for WG Adoption for draft-kumar… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv… Michael Richardson
- [IPv6]Re: Request for WG Adoption for draft-kumar… Jen Linkova