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[IPv6]Re: Working Group Last Call for <draft-ietf-6man-pio-pflag>

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 12 June 2024 20:09 UTC

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On 13-Jun-24 04:36, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
>      > Worse, I'd say. If my ISP flash-renumbered me into
>      > 4404:4400:5d14:7800::/52 tonight and SLAAC would suddenly only work
>      > with /80, I'd be irrevocably down (unless IPv4 still worked, or I was
>      > also running ULA/64+NPTv6).
> 
> It seems to me that if you have a /52, that you can easily hand out a /80.

Not unless the ISP also remotely upgraded my CE router to do so. Really I was
trying to say that a whole site network can be a legacy that will only
work with /64, not just an individual host as Jen implied.

    Brian

> I wonder if ENOCOFFEE, and you meant those numbers in the opposite way?
> 
> If you got flash renumbered in such a way that everything broke, then really the
> ISP should be disciplined (pay the consenquenses) via needing a truck roll :-)
> 
> 
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> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>   . o O ( IPv6 IøT consulting )
>             Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide
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