Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (OMNI)

Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> Fri, 16 October 2020 18:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (OMNI)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 20:09:55 +0200
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Fred,

I would challenge you to make OMNI entirely free from semantic addresses.
That would also help the working group understand what benefits semantic addresses bring to OMNI. 
And what the tradeoffs would be. 

Cheers,
Ole



> On 16 Oct 2020, at 18:31, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ted, thanks for your input. We actually started with ULAs but were turned on to SLAs
> by the notion that we would be making good use of an otherwise-wasted space. The
> other thing to consider is that whatever ::/10 prefix we use, it will be dedicated for
> use with operating the OMNI Adaptation Layer (OAL). If we were to use ULAs for
> that, then the ULAs could not be used for any other purposes within the OMNI
> domain. If we instead use SLAs, then we can still use ULAs for end system addressing.
> 
> So, yes, I think we want to allow for all three of LLAs, SLAs and ULAs to coexist
> within an OMNI domain and to be used for their respective purposes. GUAs will
> also naturally fit in where needed.
>  
> Thanks - Fred
>  
> From: Ted Hardie [mailto:ted.ietf@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:14 AM
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> Cc: Philip Homburg <pch-ipv6-ietf-6@u-1.phicoh.com>om>; ipv6@ietf.org; atn@ietf.org
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (OMNI)
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>  
> Hi Fred
>  
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 9:04 AM Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>   don't want to call them "site-local" anymore; I want to rename them in
> my draft as "segment-local".
> 
> > Of course, you can ask IANA to allocate a prefix for your particular purpose,
> > and may be fec0:: but who knows. It seems bad to me to argue based on
> > properties of a prefix you don't know you will get.
> 
> We can of course operate with any routable ::/10 prefix, and in fact the
> draft called for ULAs until very recently until we were turned on to the
> concept of re-purposing fec0::/10. It would be a good use of otherwise
> wasted spaceo
> 
> Given the very large amount of space, I think re-using fec0:: is not really needed and probably not a good idea.  I think managing that would require first moving it from "deprecated" to "unallocated" then waiting a good long time for that to percolate through the industry's consciousness.  Only then would I think it safe to re-allocate.  It seems simpler to use ULAs (or ask for a new allocation, if you really believe that is necessary).
>  
> Just my opinion, of course.
>  
> Ted
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