Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?
Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> Sat, 30 May 2020 21:24 UTC
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From: Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org>
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Subject: Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 23:23:59 +0200
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Mark, With 6man taking on new work, that is outside of where 6man traditionally has worked new participants are both expected and necessary. Be that the alt-mark work, bier or segment routing. 6man has evolved into the intarea wg for IPv6 related work. Cheers Ole > On 30 May 2020, at 14:45, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 19:26, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote: >> >> HI Mark, >> >> So what is your recommendation ? >> >> What should make an individual eligible by your standards to express an opinion on adoption or last call of any proposal in 6man or any WG? >> > > Since this is a group that does work ("working group"), I think it is > fair to expect some evidence of contribution to the work the group > does, such as active involvement in previous working group mailing > list discussions, authored or co-authored Internet Drafts relevant to > the working group's purpose, or mentions in working group relevant ID > acknowledgement sections indicating off-line communication and > contribution with the author(s) regarding the ID. > > It doesn't seem fair to me that people who haven't contributed work to > the group get a say in what work the group does or does not do. > > Regards, > Mark. > > > > > > > > > > > > >> If someone is following SPRING and 6MAN just by reading list archives and he sees an adoption call - by your standards he can not one time voice his opinion ? Very interesting ... >> >> In fact 6man is open also for non subscribers making it very welcoming to anyone to send an email even without joining the WG list. >> >> Sure - in the past I personally experienced folks from a vendor subscribing and voting with an artificial name yet silly enough to use their company internal mailer domain - pretending he is an operator, but those would be rather ugly exceptions then a rule. >> >> Thx a lot, >> R. >> >> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:48 AM Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Do you think somebody who spent many hours of their own time preparing >>> and presenting this at the AusNOG 2015 conference wants to discourage >>> IETF participation, unless it is trying to influence group consensus >>> via membership stacking and using ring-ins (Australian for non-genuine >>> members)? >>> >>> "Why you should read RFCs and Internet Drafts (and what you need to >>> know to do so)" >>> https://www.ausnog.net/sites/default/files/ausnog-2015/presentations/1.4_Mark_Smith_AusNOG2015.pdf >>> >>> On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 01:08, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 28, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Am questioning if we are seeing a growth in participation – or a blatant stacking of the floor with people who have never set foot on the lists and will never will again. >>>>> >>>> >>>> (No hat) >>>> >>>> I’m concerned about how welcoming this might be to new participants who perhaps have a legitimate problem to be solved that they discover in the operations of a network. This above text doesn’t reflect a welcoming environment, nor one where perhaps someone has something valuable to contribute in a single area of expertise of operations. >>>> >>>> I’m going to bookmark this thread for a reminder next time someone asks me about if the IETF is welcoming to newcomers. >>>> >>>> - Jared >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >>> ipv6@ietf.org >>> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > --------------------------------------------------------------------
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