Re: IPv6 only host NAT64 requirements?

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Mon, 20 November 2017 22:44 UTC

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Subject: Re: IPv6 only host NAT64 requirements?
To: Lee Howard <lee@asgard.org>, "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@boeing.com>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 20/11/2017 21:05, Lee Howard wrote:
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> It’s too late for dual-stack to be the transition plan.

In my mind it never was a transition plan. It was, and remains,
a co-existence plan, which will go away when co-existence
is no longer needed.

One thing that we demonstrated very convincingly last week
is that there are enough legacy devices and applications in
existing user hosts that the co-existence plan is still needed.
(And, BTW, we demonstated it for user hosts belonging to
relatively sophisticated users.)

    Brian