Re: [v6ops] A proposal for draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07 - FE80:: means FE80::/9

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] A proposal for draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07 - FE80:: means FE80::/9
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 08:36:13 +0100
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Mark,

> > Thanks to this discussion, I would like to promote the following fact that I did not know:
> >
> > If you say "FE80::" without telling the prefix length, that actually means "FE80::/9" (and not FE80::/10, nor FE80::/64).  Because 0xFE80  is "1111 1110 1000 0000" in binary representation.
> 
> No it doesn't.
> 
> FE80:: means FE80:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000
> 
> 
> Or
> 
> FE80:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000/128
> 
> which is an address within the LL space.
> 
> Possible a statement that a /128 is implied if no prefix length is stated, and is the definition of an "address", could be put in RFC4291bis during AUTH48? Is it a trivial enough change (I think it probably isn't, although it'd be a bit of a shame to have to wait until the next RFC revision of it.)

I don't see why it would be necessary to imply anything.
FE80:: is an address. Not a prefix. E.g. you wouldn't say the packet was sent from the source FE80::/128.

Cheers,
Ole