Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?

Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> Fri, 29 May 2020 15:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?
From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
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> On May 28, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> 
> Am questioning if we are seeing a growth in participation – or a blatant stacking of the floor with people who have never set foot on the lists and will never will again.
> 

(No hat)

I’m concerned about how welcoming this might be to new participants who perhaps have a legitimate problem to be solved that they discover in the operations of a network.  This above text doesn’t reflect a welcoming environment, nor one where perhaps someone has something valuable to contribute in a single area of expertise of operations.

I’m going to bookmark this thread for a reminder next time someone asks me about if the IETF is welcoming to newcomers.

- Jared