RE: Meta-issues: On the deprecation of the fragmentation function
Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> Tue, 09 July 2013 18:14 UTC
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From: Ronald Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
To: Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us>, "ipv6@ietf.org" <ipv6@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Meta-issues: On the deprecation of the fragmentation function
Thread-Topic: Meta-issues: On the deprecation of the fragmentation function
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Doug, It might be interesting to revisit what we mean by deprecating IPv6 fragmentation.... It means that the IETF will not approve any new protocols that rely upon IPv6 fragmentation. Nothing more, nothing less. Old protocols will continue to emit IPv6 fragments. In order to achieve backwards compatibility, new IPv6 implementations will MUST continue to support reassembly of incoming fragments. New IPv6 implementations MAY even support transmission of IPv6 fragments, if they want to support legacy applications that rely on the transmission of IPv6 fragments. Network operators will make up their own minds as to whether they will forward IPv6 fragments. They do this today. The draft offers no guidance, one way or the other. Brian Carpenter recommended some clarifying text regarding what the recommendation to deprecate actually means. You will see this in an updated version of the draft in the next day or so. Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Doug Barton > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 1:32 PM > To: ipv6@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Meta-issues: On the deprecation of the fragmentation > function > > I stated it a while back, but now that folks seem to be coming around I > thought it might be worthwhile to restate that I agree that deprecating > fragmentation is a bad idea. My part of this elephant is that we need > fragmentation/PMTUD/Window Scaling to work reliably as we look toward > future networks that are faster, and require larger MTU to be more > efficient. > > Doug > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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