Re: Status of <draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-16.txt> in AUTH48

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Mon, 13 February 2017 04:11 UTC

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Subject: Re: Status of <draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-16.txt> in AUTH48
To: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.com>
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On 02/12/2017 11:53 PM, Suresh Krishnan wrote:
>> 
>> In many (if not most/all) of these cases, the acks were added
>> during AUTH48, when I just got the time to think about the people
>> that had provided significative help/support.
>> 
>> It never crossed my mind that someone could have concerns with
>> this. As a guy that reads RFCs, I couldn't care less about the
>> Acks.
> 
> Either you care or you don’t. You cannot have it both ways. If you do
> not care about the Acks, I am not sure we are having this discussion
> and taking a chunk of everyone’s time.

What I meant is that, when reading an RFC, I don't care about what's in
the Acks. As an author, I try to give credit where I think is deserved.

In this particular case, my impression was that the decision to not
approve the document with the Acks was arbitrary. It was an editorial
change or, as Brian said, just "cosmetics". Given that there does not
seem to be any rules for writing Acknowledgements, and that the change
was editorial, I was puzzled for the author approval of an RFC to be
delayed for that. To be honest, it wasn't even clear to me what the
objection was. That's why I took your option of consulting the wg (if
you let go arbitrary decisions, you don't know where that stops).

Based on this discussion, the lesson that I've learned is that, during
AUTH48, an Acknowledgement cannot be added, unless all authors agree (or
not even, I guess). I'll make sure to put more energy on the
Acknowledgments of documents at an earlier stage next time, so that, if
anything, this discussion happens at such an earlier stage.

Thanks,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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