RE: Why /64
Wuyts Carl <Carl.Wuyts@technicolor.com> Mon, 28 October 2013 06:54 UTC
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From: Wuyts Carl <Carl.Wuyts@technicolor.com>
To: Mark ZZZ Smith <markzzzsmith@yahoo.com.au>, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>, Jeroen Massar <jeroen@massar.ch>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 07:53:47 +0100
Subject: RE: Why /64
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FWIW. I'm working for the #1CPE vendor, managed CPEs that is, and I can confirm that majority of our customers ( ISP's/Telco's) is handing out a /60 or /56. It's very rare, although they exist, to only see /64s handed out to the (residential) CPE. Some do add ia_na to it to number the WAN interface, it's an exception to see slaac on wan to number wan intf these days @ our customers, although it is being used. WRT privacy etc Some of our customers re-apply the IPv4 approach on handing out IPv6 pds, i.e. with IPv4, they renewed the public IPv4 address every XX hours and re-apply this to ia_pd. Whether or not this is/was for economics rather than privacy purposes (more charged for static IPv4 @ some customers, but these being more business than residential customers) is another question of course. Regs Carl -----Original Message----- From: ipv6-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ipv6-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark ZZZ Smith Sent: zondag 27 oktober 2013 21:44 To: Lorenzo Colitti; Jeroen Massar Cc: <ipv6@ietf.org> Subject: Re: Why /64 <snip> > >Specifically, I think the "quite a few [ISPs] give exactly 1 IPv6 address to their users" statement is not true in the case of mainstream residential ISPs - I think they all provide at least a /64, and more usually at least a /60. > During their IPv6 trial, Internode gave out /60s. When they deployed production residential broadband IPv6 in 2011 (which I worked on), the provided a dynamic /64 to the CPE via SLAAC (which allows direct connection of a PC as an alternative to using a CPE), and a static /56 via DHCPv6-PD. They fairly recently said they now have 10% of their customers using IPv6, as they've been enabling it by default on all new customer connections and providing IPv6 enabled CPE with it. Going by the published customer numbers, 10% is in the order of 16 000 to 18 000 services with native IPv6 connectivity. http://www.internode.on.net/news/2013/06/309.php >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >IETF IPv6 working group mailing list >ipv6@ietf.org >Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- IETF IPv6 working group mailing list ipv6@ietf.org Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 --------------------------------------------------------------------
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