RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (OMNI)

"Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Mon, 19 October 2020 17:52 UTC

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From: "Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>, "atn@ietf.org" <atn@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (OMNI)
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Michael,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: atn [mailto:atn-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Michael Richardson
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 10:37 AM
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> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [atn] Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (OMNI)
> 
> 
> Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:
>     > I think most people read SLA as Site-Local Address, especially since
>     > you are proposing to use the prefix defined in RFC3513:
> 
> Yes, I keep saying to Fred, that overloading SLA is a recipe for
> misunderstanding.   I think Fred has fixated on those three letters though.

I can step away from "SLA" if that is the main objection - I have just proposed
"DLA" for "Domain-Local Addresses". My understanding was that site-locals
were deprecated largely due to lack of a crisp definition for "site", but I can
give a very crisp definition for what constitutes a "Domain" within the
context of OMNI. Would that satisfy the concern?

Thanks - Fred

> Bob, can you file away all the historical objections to SLA, and can we just
> use another name.
> 
> Fred needs a /10 with some new name and new semantics.
>      Reusing FEC0::/10 is ONE option, given that it's just sitting there rotting.
>      Allocating another prefix that satisfies the needs of OMNI is another.
> 
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