Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (OMNI)

Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> Thu, 15 October 2020 19:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (OMNI)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:24:09 -0700
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Fred,

> On Oct 15, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Hinden [mailto:bob.hinden@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:43 AM
>> To: Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
>> Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>om>; Ole Trøan <otroan@employees.org>rg>; IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>rg>; atn@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: Embedding IP information in an IPv6 address (OMNI)
>> 
>> Fred,
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2020, at 11:40 AM, Templin (US), Fred L <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The use of site locals also sets limitations of addressing/routing in the underlay.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is rather about addressing/routing in the *overlay*.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> With regards to performance. Is the conversion between SLA/LLA something you do per packet?
>>>>>> If not, I'm unsure I see why optimising that is beneficial.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Per-packet - a simple bit-flip changes the address from SLA to LLA or vice-versa.
>>>> 
>>>> Umm, that would break the transport protocol checksum.
>>> 
>>> Good point, and that brings into focus the need for RFC2473 encapsulation.
>>> If you want a packet with IPv6 link-local addresses (LLAs) to go more than
>>> one hop, encapsulate it in an IPv6 header with the same LLAs and then
>>> flip the bit to turn them into SLAs. Then, present the (encapsulated) packet
>>> to the IPv6 overlay routing system.
>> 
>> If you want the packets to go more than one hop, then don’t use link-local addresses.
> 
> That circles us right back to the subject of how RFC4861 is intrinsically tied to
> the use of link-local address and the fact that all IPv6 interfaces are required
> to configure a unique link-local address. It would be a bear to try to change
> that, so OMNI employs RFC2473 encapsulation instead of trying to override
> the bedrock IPv6 standards. The use of RFC2473 encapsulation also brings
> other important benefits.

Right, that how ND works.   Seems to me that you are proposing many changes to IPv6 for some degree of optimization.   It’s unclear to me that the benefit outweighs the cost.

Bob