Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 ULA registry]

Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> Fri, 11 December 2020 01:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: For whom is IPv6? [was: Happy St Nicholas Day: Re-Launching the IPv6 ULA registry]
To: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>, Nico Schottelius <nico.schottelius@ungleich.ch>, IPv6 List <ipv6@ietf.org>
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Hi, Richard,

On 10/12/20 10:49, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Nico Schottelius <nico.schottelius@ungleich.ch> wrote:
>      > Being active in the IPv6 community I see on a daily basis how users or
>      > potential users are struggling with a very basic need: the question of
> 
>      > Which IPv6 addresses can I use?
> 
>      > For many personal and non-profit organisations the answer at the moment
>      > is ULA. Why? Because there is no cost involved. No cost directly means
>      > that communities can act and innovations on their own. And as a long
>      > time Open Source hacker I can only say that the less hurdles you have to
>      > take, the more likely you can actually solve the original problems that
>      > you were tackling.
> 
> The question of what address can networks not-intended to be connected to the
> public Default Free Zone can use is one that I have brought up repeatedly
> over the last decade.

Wel... that's ULA, isn't it?



> I have argued over and over again that we need an allocation mechanism that
> is fee-free (or at least, no-recurring fee), and is free from significant
> efforts for justification.
> 
> Unroutable /48s should be freely available in my opinion.
> IPv6 space is large enough for this.
> {I was also a fan of Tony Li's geo-ip (IPv6 assigned by Long/Latt)}
> 
> While it seems that ULA-R suits, it is lacking of two important things:
>    1) accountability/audibility (whois)
>    2) reverse DNS.

But these requirements seem to be broken. If the space is to be 
unroutable, that really means non-global scope. As such, addresses are 
not globally meaningful, and hence it doesn't make much sense to 
register something that, at the end of the day, is not globally meaningful.

If you do what something that is globally unique, but that it's not 
routable, then you want GUAs, and some policy enforced somewhere such 
that packets are not routed.


Note:
Having a registry is something that can, potentially, require resources 
of difference sorts. And I guess in a capitalist world that means that 
somebody would need to pay for it?

Thanks,
-- 
Fernando Gont
SI6 Networks
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