Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.txt>
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Subject: Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.txt>
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I continue to oppose this document. This draft says that existing address generation mechanisms are bad for privacy, and proceeds to change them. But there is nothing wrong with the existing address generation mechanisms as if the link-layer addresses are not stable, (e.g., random MAC addresses), and a growing body of IETF work This draft forbids implementations from using existing address generation mechanisms using random MAC addresses, which is a perfectly valid way to address the privacy problem this draft is purportedly solving, and is an approach standardized in other IETF work, for example, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dhc-anonymity-profile-08#section-2.1 (now in RFC editor queue). Here are several examples of how this draft forbids using address generation mechanisms with random MAC addresses. The recommendations in this document apply only in cases where implementations otherwise would have configured a stable IPv6 IID containing a link layer address. ... In standardized recommendations for IPv6 IID generation meant to achieve particular security and privacy properties, it is therefore necessary to recommend against embedding link-layer addresses in IPv6 IIDs. ... By default, nodes SHOULD NOT employ IPv6 address generation schemes that embed the underlying link-layer address in the IID. These statements should not say "link-layer address". They should say "stable link-layer-address" or "non-ephemeral link-layer-address" or "link-layer address that are not known to be ephemeral". Worse, consider this normative text: The entire text of Section 4 of [RFC2464] is replaced with the following text: ---------------- cut here -------------- cut here ---------------- The Interface Identifier [AARCH] for an Ethernet interface MUST be generated as specified in [RFCXXXX]. This explicitly prohibits an implementation from taking a random MAC address and forming an EUI-64 address out of it. On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > With the clarifying references to RFC4941, I think this document is > in good shape and ready to be advanced. > > Brian > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > IETF IPv6 working group mailing list > ipv6@ietf.org > Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
- I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.txt internet-drafts
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.t… Alissa Cooper
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.t… weigengyu
- 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-default-… Bob Hinden
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… 神明達哉
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alissa Cooper
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.t… weigengyu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.t… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alissa Cooper
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… 神明達哉
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alissa Cooper
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… joel jaeggli
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… joel jaeggli
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alissa Cooper
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… 神明達哉
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.t… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… 神明達哉
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.t… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alissa Cooper
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… 神明達哉
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… otroan
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… 神明達哉
- default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Section 3 Alissa Cooper
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- RE: default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Secti… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Secti… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Secti… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Lorenzo Colitti
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Manfredi, Albert E
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Secti… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Fernando Gont
- Re: default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Secti… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… otroan
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Secti… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Secti… Fernando Gont
- Re: default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Secti… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: default-iids: dropping requirement 1 in Secti… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-defa… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.t… weigengyu
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-6man-default-iids-11.t… Brian E Carpenter
- 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-maxra-01> Bob Hinden
- REMINDER: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6ma… Bob Hinden
- Re: REMINDER: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf… Lorenzo Colitti
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- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Lizhenbin
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Tom Herbert
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Tom Herbert
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Zafar Ali (zali)
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Voyer, Daniel
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Tom Herbert
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Tom Herbert
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Tom Herbert
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Joel Halpern Direct
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Darren Dukes (ddukes)
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Bernier, Daniel
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Tom Herbert
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-segm… Gyan Mishra
- Conclusion of 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf… Bob Hinden
- 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4941b… Bob Hinden
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4… Erik Kline
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-rfc4… Fernando Gont
- 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-grand> Bob Hinden
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Jen Linkova
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Michael Richardson
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Bob Hinden
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Mark Smith
- RE: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Adrian Farrel
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Gyan Mishra
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Gyan Mishra
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Jen Linkova
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Jen Linkova
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Jen Linkova
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Fernando Gont
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Bob Hinden
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Jen Linkova
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Jen Linkova
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Mark Smith
- Re: 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf-6man-gran… Mark Smith
- Conclusion of 6man w.g. last call for <draft-ietf… Bob Hinden