Re: Brian Haberman's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-16: (with DISCUSS)

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Thu, 23 January 2014 11:45 UTC

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On 01/23/2014 11:37 AM, Brian Haberman wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/22/14 5:31 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/22/2014 09:44 PM, Brian Haberman wrote:
>>>>> 1) Recording the addresses a node has visited during its 
>>>>> lifetime would somehow be ironic for a document aiming at 
>>>>> privacy. Just get the document compromised, and you get a
>>>>> list of where the node has been since it was first
>>>>> installed.
>>> I think I can get a list of where a device has been from any
>>> number of places.  So, I don't buy that argument at all.
>> 
>> 
>> I buy the argument. Some vendors have been beaten up for it now
>> and then. Making that worse while trying to make privacy better
>> would be a shame, no?
>> 
>> S.
>> 
>> [1] 
>> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears
>>
>
>> 
> Duly noted.  If that is a concern, then it should be noted in the
> draft that storing the address is a bad idea.  That way, people
> won't be tempted to implement this feature in that way.

That'd work for me.
Thanks,
S.


> 
> Regards, Brian
> 
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