Re: Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
Fernando Gont <fernando@gont.com.ar> Thu, 27 February 2020 11:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC -
draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>, "Maojianwei (Mao)" <maojianwei@huawei.com>
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On 27/2/20 07:27, Ted Lemon wrote: > The IETF serves users, not “industry”. The IETF does not promote. Our > job is to make the internet work interoperably. Brian has raised an > objection that could be answered, but has not been. It is inappropriate > to say that this document has passed last call. > > In my experience, when it is hard to get consensus in situations like > this it is because there is a wish to not address a concern that has > been raised, not because the concern could not be addressed or should > not have been raised. It may feel unreasonable, and like an imposition, > but it is not. It is part of the process. > > Rather than trying to steamroll over the objection, why not simply > answer it? As a service to the community, let me explain: Essentially, and for some reason, they seem to be meaning to circumvent specs and processes. One of their last inventions has been to pretend that IPv6 allows EH insertion/deletion en-route, based on their reading of RFC8200. Based on a curious interpretation of the text, they claim that each waypoint (intermmediate router that received the packet because its address was set as de Destination Address) can insert/remove EHs, and they claim that that's not a violation of RFC8200. However, the PSP behavour doesn't even fit in that fictional interpretation of RFC8200. What PSP does is that, given: ---- B ----- C routers, when B realizes, after processing the SRH and setting the Dest Addr to the last segment, SegmentsLeft==0, it removes the SRH. This case is not even covered by their fictional interpretation of RFC8200. Hence the question is avoided, u<because thye would have no option than admiting they are violating RFC8200..unless... who knows... there might be yet another curious interpretation of the spec that allows it. It should eb evident here that the strategy is not really to follow IETF process, gain consensus, formally update specs if/where needed, but rather push whatever they publish, at whatever cost, ignoring the issues raised in this wg, and circumventing IETF process. The fact that this behavior is allowed seems to be unfair with participants, and a dis-service to the group. Thanks, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
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