[IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefix"
Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Wed, 26 November 2025 07:27 UTC
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Subject: [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefix"
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Hi,
On Wed, Nov 26, 2025 at 11:03:20AM +1100, Mark Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2025 at 10:19, Geoff Huston <gih902@gmail.com> wrote:
> > thanks Mark - except that you should substitute the /32 to a /96 as I got confused between my left and my right!
> >
>
> One of my use cases, which I think I hinted to but didn't specifically
> state, was multiple loopback interfaces on a node.
>
> On Cisco routers you can create multiple loopback interfaces. I've
> done that so that I could have say a management loopback interface and
> address, a BGP session loopback interface and address and then other
> loopback interfaces and addresses for other functions such as an
> L2TPv2 end point, RADIUS service client address etc.. Those loopback
> interface addresses were all announced into the routing protocol (or
> not depending on function).
This is a very different thing from what the draft proposes to establish.
You are basically deliberately choosing and assigning routable addresses
to "non physical" device interfaces, for externally-reachable functions
(and this is a very reasonable thing to do, so "all the router people"
do it, and "all the anycast service people" do it as well...).
The draft at hand proposes to extend the single-ip loopback interface
to a prefix, with well-known IPv6 addresses "these are available on every
single node out there, so software can use it without being told what
addresses are available". Not manually administered, not routed.
On the draft itself, *shrug*. I dislike all the ways modern linux systems
use 127.0.0.<random> for magic things, but I don't have to use it, so I
could care less.
Gert Doering
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- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Jeremy Duncan
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Terry Sweetser
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Owen DeLong
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Owen DeLong
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Owen DeLong
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… sthaug
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… David Farmer
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Gert Doering
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Gert Doering
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Templin (US), Fred L
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Templin (US), Fred L
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Michael Sweet
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Michael Sweet
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Michael Sweet
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Gert Doering
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Michael Richardson
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Bob Hinden
- [IPv6]New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address Prefi… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Sebastian Moeller
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Antonis Chariton
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Philipp S. Tiesel
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Sebastian Moeller
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Michael Siegenthaler
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Lo… Michael Richardson
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… tom petch
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Erik Kline
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Ole Trøan
- [IPv6]Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback Address P… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Request for WG Adoption for draft-kumari-ip… Geoff Huston
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] New draft: "The IPv6 Loopback A… Arseny Maslennikov
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Mark Smith
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Brian E Carpenter
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: New draft: "The IPv6 Loopba… Maciej Żenczykowski
- [IPv6]Re: Request for WG Adoption for draft-kumar… Warren Kumari
- [IPv6]Re: [v6ops] Re: Re: Re: New draft: "The IPv… Michael Richardson
- [IPv6]Re: Request for WG Adoption for draft-kumar… Jen Linkova