IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?

Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com> Sat, 30 May 2020 02:48 UTC

Return-Path: <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB353A131A for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 29 May 2020 19:48:46 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.598
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_LOCAL_NOVOWEL=0.5, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_FROM=0.999, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UedzTYNCV_vO for <ipv6@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 29 May 2020 19:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-oi1-x22b.google.com (mail-oi1-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A80A03A131B for <6man@ietf.org>; Fri, 29 May 2020 19:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-oi1-x22b.google.com with SMTP id x202so3964910oix.11 for <6man@ietf.org>; Fri, 29 May 2020 19:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+yAqqTfmrywSzxvE2qMxHXMFnaeV6Hkdx7pANKN6UCo=; b=pMPypAWLsQPB/Wd2Te3GW0qzbs31kafgznKlJAsh1q+rd1tSIkqOUhjUgqsIs7PfLo 0uCgUm8XZjCvXHhqsHZfbxaMqzlRS0psGUuhKHpL8yfd5oO5KqZdIt9XU6Z84KT6h+qe BCtQZhaTr1UeO0UT3CyCHtP2brCQaMfWbtWZfCXORmrRwxkayT0sU1dP1qb0bAQd4Er/ LG1+FXDGiVECZTatastnjW2khnrVAtKrAd4uKqnq3UQ3pGKlsyZPwBlvlpNO6TKwP+jK hVTajSDlBWqMI8VV2YEeQgrkA4mLbYhL/lLnGyPn8sHr5S+XqXJj0arTv5mqbrVCqRwP xLgw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+yAqqTfmrywSzxvE2qMxHXMFnaeV6Hkdx7pANKN6UCo=; b=cyVmX52XKhkVpe6LgiyQW4YeER8ZkXe3UKy7dSWXwEBlp/VY+/aaX5Kyn9FDfpWhm6 C12+y478f5C1ug5X9wCCXt/zWOLHNBI/4bdbT03kP37gYCaKNGoUhuOVdUJ1iPRvc9W7 +HDgAtKD9TB0tQcMEaA/rPlvFqhj4PlpLVl2N1CwyiyFnjD0pwug03gPIxumol5zwpyH xEB0Gglj/2uABRm60PNp3ULpXpouhPNyUWIirPXYERsQ707iFHG2p3M9ZtkYBtvYHbvF XlYh2xzVFMxKFI517dp0a8sKlrnQoZRIhZ7PEHzZkfBvdN0/MA91ZbDVJjO+suQh0pPc 4alA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533wkmc6rRbH4jN6lUo7TAtmdNAa2rX6PlVBkVqBPpxyNykUm6Hq mQgw1M9tMv5d7+TIsPICaRsRyqHhDEHvmx/Pgkc=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxU/HnES76+rcqmVcyMCOsH4gksDkWsC0DLYnamcre38uAwnIq6GjagSmMld3+QhTvIdlk5KVXQCqzdwd509cE=
X-Received: by 2002:a54:4405:: with SMTP id k5mr7936951oiw.164.1590806923916; Fri, 29 May 2020 19:48:43 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <8A5DB52F-5355-484D-8E70-02247C2DF88E@bell.ca> <4FE8C14C-421D-45D5-A1DE-D48E66AAC652@bell.ca> <VI1PR03MB5056782F1E77C7B5D22A8B9FEE8E0@VI1PR03MB5056.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com> <419F9DFA-DB3E-476A-BE21-715BD014F51D@puck.nether.net>
In-Reply-To: <419F9DFA-DB3E-476A-BE21-715BD014F51D@puck.nether.net>
From: Mark Smith <markzzzsmith@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 12:48:18 +1000
Message-ID: <CAO42Z2wpD-NHg5mqUQEPbFTybmYz-Fc_ioUTEhsHZyssqkyk3w@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?
To: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
Cc: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>, "Bernier, Daniel" <daniel.bernier@bell.ca>, "Voyer, Daniel" <daniel.voyer@bell.ca>, "Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>, "otroan@employees.org" <otroan@employees.org>, 6MAN <6man@ietf.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/XIem9gUIqHBs2B3pzzaly1MMZG4>
X-BeenThere: ipv6@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: "IPv6 Maintenance Working Group \(6man\)" <ipv6.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/>
List-Post: <mailto:ipv6@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6>, <mailto:ipv6-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 02:48:47 -0000

Do you think somebody who spent many hours of their own time preparing
and presenting this at the AusNOG 2015 conference wants to discourage
IETF participation, unless it is trying to influence group consensus
via membership stacking and using ring-ins (Australian for non-genuine
members)?

"Why you should read RFCs and Internet Drafts (and what you need to
know to do so)"
https://www.ausnog.net/sites/default/files/ausnog-2015/presentations/1.4_Mark_Smith_AusNOG2015.pdf

On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 01:08, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> >
> > Am questioning if we are seeing a growth in participation – or a blatant stacking of the floor with people who have never set foot on the lists and will never will again.
> >
>
> (No hat)
>
> I’m concerned about how welcoming this might be to new participants who perhaps have a legitimate problem to be solved that they discover in the operations of a network.  This above text doesn’t reflect a welcoming environment, nor one where perhaps someone has something valuable to contribute in a single area of expertise of operations.
>
> I’m going to bookmark this thread for a reminder next time someone asks me about if the IETF is welcoming to newcomers.
>
> - Jared

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email