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Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Thu, 12 July 2018 17:50 UTC

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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 12:50:24 -0500
From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
To: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, IETF IPv6 Mailing List <ipv6@ietf.org>, bob.hinden@gmail.com, draft-ietf-6man-rfc6434-bis@ietf.org, 6man-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-6man-rfc6434-bis-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 09:50:59PM -0700, Lorenzo Colitti wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, 05:42 Benjamin Kaduk, <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Section 15
> >
> >    If an IPv6 node is concerned about the impact of IPv6 message power
> >    consumption, it SHOULD want to implement the recommendations in
> >    [RFC7772].
> >
> > Do we really need to assign motive to IPv6 nodes?
> >
> 
> As an author of RFC 7772, I'd like to point out that the primary
> power-saving recommendations in that document are intended for network
> operators, not host implementations.
> 
> I'd say the device recommendations in that document are appropriate for all
> battery-powered hosts, or even all hosts in general.

That seems likely for at least battery-powered hosts.  But my point is that
the owner/operator is the entity that "is concerned" about power
consumption -- the node itself is just going to blindly do what its
software says, and does not have a mental process that is worrying about
power.  That is, this is purely an editorial matter, as I see it.

-Benjamin

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