RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-pref64-02>

<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Thu, 06 December 2018 16:03 UTC

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From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
To: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
CC: Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org>, IETF IPv6 Mailing List <ipv6@ietf.org>, 6man Chairs <6man-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-pref64-02>
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Lorenzo,

I’m clear in what I said: IPv4aas “is not a mandatory IPv6 feature”. You misinterpreted this as: “it is not a mandatory to provide service”, which isn’t what I said!

As far as I know, IPv4 service continuity is not considered as mandatory feature in any IPv6 profile documents endorsed by the IETF:

·         No mention in RFC6434

·         Idem for draft-ietf-6man-rfc6434-bis-09<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6man-rfc6434-bis-09>

·         SHOULD is used for DS-Lite in RFC7084

·         SHOULD is used in draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas

·         No mention in the 3GPP IPv6 profile RFC7066 (but a prefix discovery is a SHOULD in RFC7849).

My initial set of issues are still unanswered, Lorenzo.

Cheers,
Med

De : Lorenzo Colitti [mailto:lorenzo@google.com]
Envoyé : jeudi 6 décembre 2018 15:26
À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN
Cc : Ole Troan; IETF IPv6 Mailing List; 6man Chairs
Objet : Re: Adoption call for <draft-pref64folks-6man-ra-pref64-02>

On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 11:10 PM <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>> wrote:
The NAT64 prefix *is* a IPv6 configuration parameter. It is required for address synthesis, DNSSEC support, and 464xlat provisioning.
[Med] It is a parameter for a service provided over IPv6, if you will. That service is not a mandatory IPv6 feature. Moreover, requiring all access routers to be upgraded to support IPv4 service continuity is not a good plan from a deployment standpoint.

Access to the IPv4 Internet is not a mandatory IPv6 feature? That's a bold statement. Try deploying a truly IPv6-only network without IPv4 and see how many of your customers complain :-)