Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?

["Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <[e-mail]>]

Mark I think you’ve inadvertently described an old boys club in 6man.  After meeting you in person in Singapore, I can say with some certainty that was not your intent.

Let’s end this thread and welcome the diversity and new ideas that new posters to the list can bring. We need not agree with everything we read on the list but it is better than silence.

To those new posters to 6man, keep it up!  The ietf needs the diversity of experience culture and thought that you bring.

https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7704.html#section-2.1

Sincerely
  Darren
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From: ipv6 <[e-mail]> on behalf of Mark Smith <[e-mail]>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 8:46 AM
To: Robert Raszuk
Cc: 6MAN
Subject: Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?

On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 19:26, Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> HI Mark,
>
> So what is your recommendation ?
>
> What should make an individual eligible by your standards to express an opinion on adoption or last call of any proposal in 6man or any WG?
>

Since this is a group that does work ("working group"), I think it is
fair to expect some evidence of contribution to the work the group
does, such as active involvement in previous working group mailing
list discussions, authored or co-authored Internet Drafts relevant to
the working group's purpose, or mentions in working group relevant ID
acknowledgement sections indicating off-line communication and
contribution with the author(s) regarding the ID.

It doesn't seem fair to me that people who haven't contributed work to
the group get a say in what work the group does or does not do.

Regards,
Mark.












> If someone is following SPRING and 6MAN just by reading list archives and he sees an adoption call - by your standards he can not one time voice his opinion ? Very interesting ...
>
> In fact 6man is open also for non subscribers making it very welcoming to anyone to send an email even without joining the WG list.
>
> Sure - in the past I personally experienced folks from a vendor subscribing and voting with an artificial name yet silly enough to use their company internal mailer domain - pretending he is an operator, but those would be rather ugly exceptions then a rule.
>
> Thx a lot,
> R.
>
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:48 AM Mark Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>> Do you think somebody who spent many hours of their own time preparing
>> and presenting this at the AusNOG 2015 conference wants to discourage
>> IETF participation, unless it is trying to influence group consensus
>> via membership stacking and using ring-ins (Australian for non-genuine
>> members)?
>>
>> "Why you should read RFCs and Internet Drafts (and what you need to
>> know to do so)"
>> https://www.ausnog.net/sites/default/files/ausnog-2015/presentations/1.4_Mark_Smith_AusNOG2015.pdf
>>
>> On Sat, 30 May 2020 at 01:08, Jared Mauch <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On May 28, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Andrew Alston <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Am questioning if we are seeing a growth in participation – or a blatant stacking of the floor with people who have never set foot on the lists and will never will again.
>> > >
>> >
>> > (No hat)
>> >
>> > I’m concerned about how welcoming this might be to new participants who perhaps have a legitimate problem to be solved that they discover in the operations of a network.  This above text doesn’t reflect a welcoming environment, nor one where perhaps someone has something valuable to contribute in a single area of expertise of operations.
>> >
>> > I’m going to bookmark this thread for a reminder next time someone asks me about if the IETF is welcoming to newcomers.
>> >
>> > - Jared
>>
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