Re: [v6ops] A proposal for draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07

Timothy Winters <twinters@iol.unh.edu> Tue, 07 March 2017 00:34 UTC

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From: Timothy Winters <twinters@iol.unh.edu>
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2017 19:34:43 -0500
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] A proposal for draft-ietf-6man-rfc4291bis-07
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Hi James,

I don't believe this test is too strict based on 4862 Section 6.3.4 "
Similarly,

   [ADDRCONF <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4861#ref-ADDRCONF>] may
impose certain restrictions on the prefix length for
   address configuration purposes.  Therefore, the prefix might be
   rejected by [ADDRCONF
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4861#ref-ADDRCONF>] implementation in
the host.  However, the

   prefix length is still valid for on-link determination when combined

   with other flags in the prefix option."


Basically ND still works even if SLAAC thinks the prefix length is
invalid.   It's really a ND test for on-link deteremination.


~Tim


On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:25 PM, james woodyatt <jhw@google.com> wrote:

> On Mar 6, 2017, at 16:01, Timothy Winters <twinters@iol.unh.edu> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 3:53 PM, james woodyatt <jhw@google.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:47, Philip Homburg <pch-v6ops-6@u-1.phicoh.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Finally, the 'MUST drop' interpetation is not consistent with the
>> behavior of FreeBSD, MacOS, and Linux. So I now start to wonder where
>> the 'MUST drop' interpretation comes from and if anyone ever bothered
>> to check out the behavior of existing stacks.
>>
>> Yes,  IPv6 Ready Logo and USGv6 Test Programs confirm that stacks process
> PIO with a length larger then 64 bits for on-link determination.   This
> works with most IPv6 stacks today.
>
>
> Hmm. I seriously remember failing that test in the other direction:
> accepting the prefix when it was supposed to be ignored. Maybe I’m mistaken.
>
> In any case, my opinion is that the IPv6 Ready Logo test and the USGv6
> test would be imposing a stricter test than called for by the requirement
> language in RFC 4862 if it requires on-link determination to succeed on PIO
> with an invalid Prefix Length for the link type, and it’s a test for a
> feature that some constrained host implementations don’t currently
> implement.
>
> Those stacks (like the one I’m using now) that would fail the IPv6 Ready
> Logo and USGv6 tests are still compliant with RFC 4862, and I think the
> successor to RFC 4291 shouldn’t declare them broken.
>
> --james woodyatt <jhw@google.com>
>
>
>
>


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