Re: One size fits all !?! (was: Re: So where have all these new 6man WG people come from?)

Philip Homburg <pch-ipv6-ietf-6@u-1.phicoh.com> Tue, 02 June 2020 13:43 UTC

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> Philip, good message but
> I do see an element of truth in what the original poster was trying
> to communicate. In aviation, we often deal with wireless links with
> bandwidth less than 1Mbps - sometimes even *much* less. Asking
> those links to carry at least two IPv6 addresses per packet is a
> considerable commitment of resources, but that is our current plan.
> Should we be open to considering alternatives?

I think one thing to do would be the creation of a paper design for a
network protocol specific to this application. That can then be use to
evaluate to cost of using IPv6. Or, in the case of compression and
other tricks, how close you can get to 'optimal' performance.

The big question is, what do you gain from using IPv6? Is it host software
(socket interface, TCP, UDP, DNS, etc)? Is it network management?