Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com> Mon, 25 May 2020 16:44 UTC

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From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, "otroan@employees.org" <otroan@employees.org>, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>
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Subject: Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH
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I think a better question would be – not if hats are on or off – but which hat – the employee of a vendor hat?  The WG chair hat? The CoC hat? The “In personal capacity” hat?

Like Ron and others – I’m kinda curious here

Andrew


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Date: Monday, 25 May 2020 at 18:51
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Subject: Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

Ole,

When commenting on list, could you indicate whether hats are on or off?

Ron



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Subject: Re: [spring] CRH is back to the SPRING Use-Case - Re: Size of CR in CRH

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Sander,

>> Your below list looks like custom made set of RFP requirements to eliminate any other vendor or any other solution to solve the problem at hand rather then rational list of requirements.
>
> My main customer (an ISP in NL) would fit exactly in the list that Ron sent. They want a simple solution that they can understand and manage, that works over IPv6. Whether the path will include many nodes (>8) is not known at this point, but they want something that can support it in the future.
>
> So the list of requirements isn't that strange.

That CRH is simple is a bit like claiming that MPLS is simple just because the header has few fields.
I think you would be hard pressed to substantiate that any solution here is particularly simpler than any other. But you are welcome to try.

Everyone claims to want a simple solution, funnily enough the end result is usually the opposite. The words "simple" and "source routing" are oxymorons.
Let's leave the marketing out of this.

Ole

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