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RE: [v6ops] Stateful SLAAC (draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host)

"Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> Mon, 13 November 2017 02:17 UTC

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From: "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>
To: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com>
CC: Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>, "6man@ietf.org" <6man@ietf.org>, "v6ops@ietf.org WG" <v6ops@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [v6ops] Stateful SLAAC (draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host)
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+1 with Lorenzo.. and this “is” working and “deployed” right now…


On Sat, Nov 11, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Joe Touch <touch@strayalpha.com<mailto:touch@strayalpha.com>> wrote:
FWIW, I would agree with that if this were an issue of WG focus creep.
AFAICT, the issue appears to go much deeper, which means it's an Area
boundary issue if it is indeed a protocol extension.

IMO, OPS stays in the lane of suggesting sets of *existing* protocol
parameters and features, or indicates where MAYs and SHOULDs can be
relaxed (or not) - all of this remains compliant with the protocol.
Changes to the protocol should not be considered operational decisions,
again IMO.

Excuse me, but I really cannot fathom why we are saying that this draft defines a new protocol when it is an explicit goal for all existing implementations to continue to work. How can this be a new protocol when all implementations implement this already?

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