Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea
"john leddy.net" <john@leddy.net> Wed, 26 February 2020 21:02 UTC
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From: "john leddy.net" <john@leddy.net>
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Subject: Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea
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So you are saying that other than the PSP issue, you support moving the document forward? > On February 26, 2020 at 3:40 PM Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com> wrote: > > > On 26/2/20 17:22, john leddy.net wrote: > > I would suggest that people read RFC 7282 - "On Consensus and Humming in the IETF"... > > > > My question is: How do you reach Consensus when the complaint is about how many milliseconds it takes to shoot down a proposal? > > This document proposes a *major* change to IPv6. This group has been way > overly conservative even for very minor modifications to the IPv6 specs, > well within 6man charter. > > Given that, I would have expected that a long time ago, a long queue of > folks (including the relevant AD) had made it crystal clear that this is > an update to RFC8200, and given the depth of the change, outside of the > charter of 6man. > > It is in a way unbelievable the amount of energy we spend on polishing > maintenance updates to IPv6, but then fail to even recognize that what's > being proposes by this document is a major update to IPv6, out of the > scope of 6man (which stands for "IPv6 maintenance", and not for "IPv6 > major surgery"). > > The amount of nonsense we have had to deal with, including this proposal > not violating RFC8200, this proposal being something else other than > IPv6, etc., has also been pointed out by others. > > > > Is this about the proposal or the vendor involved? > > It is about the proposal, indeed. I have sent dozens of emails > expressing technical concerns for this proposal. And the only reference > to "vendors" has been about the conjecture regarding why it has been > acceptable for us being fooled around. > > Full disclosure: You didn't ask, but I don't mind being very open about > it: I don't work for any router vendor, or OS vendor, nor do I have any > kind of ongoing, past, or future contract with any of them, or any other > party involved in a competing technology. > > I have technical concerns about the proposal (expressed ad nauseam), and > also concerns about how this process has been going on. > > Thanks, > -- > Fernando Gont > SI6 Networks > e-mail: fgont@si6networks.com > PGP Fingerprint: 6666 31C6 D484 63B2 8FB1 E3C4 AE25 0D55 1D4E 7492 > > > >
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Sander Steffann
- RE: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Andrew Alston
- RE: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Andrew Alston
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Tom Herbert
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea john leddy.net
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea john leddy.net
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Sander Steffann
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Fernando Gont
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Mark Smith
- Re: [spring] Is srv6 PSP a good idea Robert Raszuk