Re: Stateful SLAAC (draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host)

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Thu, 09 November 2017 06:55 UTC

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From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 14:54:58 +0800
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Subject: Re: Stateful SLAAC (draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host)
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Brian E Carpenter
<brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>; wrote:
> On 09/11/2017 16:02, Erik Kline wrote:
>> I don't think we should be recommending unique RAs per device where
>> the devices are all on a shared link.
>
> Why not? Where's the harm? As pointed out at
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host-13#page-5
> it's permissible under RFC 4861. This is not an innovation.
>
>> My understanding was that in the original motivating wifi deployment
>> every node is effectively isolated in its own (pseudo)VLAN, and
>> node-to-node traffic must be routed through the infrastructure (to the
>> extent such a thing can actually be enforced in a medium like wifi).
>
> It can also be enforced on a switched LAN if the switch does the requisite
> peeking. We may not be happy at such layer violations, but it seems
> to me that the days of true broadcast LANs are numbered and a lot of
> these things will need to be rethought in the coming years.
>
> Just a reminder, this draft was approved by the IESG a while ago
> and is in state "RFC Ed Queue : AUTH48 for 23 days". This unique
> unicast has been in there for a long time, although the phrasing
> was clarified in the last couple of months, which is what WG
> and IETF Last Calls are for.
>

... and in the interest of transparency -- the document was all
approved on Nov 6th; on Nov 7th Fernando sent the above mail (and also
separate mail to myself, saying that this was violating v6ops charter
and needed to have been done in 6MAN).

As soon as I saw this mail I asked the RFC Editor to hold publication
(if not too late) so I could talk to Suresh about this. The RFC Editor
has removed my approval (for now). I CCed Suresh, but as I'm already
in Singapore (and have been somewhat busy with NOC stuff) we haven't
had much time to chat (other than that we don't think it is a protocol
change, and was fine in V6OPS).

I'm planning on chatting with Suresh when he arrives (just to double
check), but I think that will be fine.
W

>    Brian
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